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Subject: to the Guardian re the Dubrovnik Hoax: Christopher Hope
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 07:43:40 -0500
From: john_peter maher <jpmaher@...>
To: GUARDIANletters <letters@...>
26 June 2001
To The Editor
The Guardian
re Christopher Hope on Dubrovnik, again
Since 1991 the press has dozens of times printed the hoax that the Pearl
of the Adriatic was reduced to rubble. Those stories were fakes. Again
the Guardian's Christopher Hope revives the hoax. It really is dej� vu
all over again. The purpose is to whip up support for shipping more
Serbs off to the Hague.
On 25 March 1992 I visited Dubrovnik to see for myself the truth about
the war. The Old City of Dubrovnik was never destroyed. It was barely
scratched.
Captain Shuttleworth, an English officer of the EEC (now EU) and British
journalist Boris beloff have confirmed my assessment.So has Susan L
Woodward. 1995. Balkan Tragedy Chaos and Dissolution after the Cold War
Washington:
The Brookings Institution:
"An assault on Dubrovnik (beginning in early October), which was
protected under the UN Educational, Scientific, and Cultural
Organization (UNESCO), was particularly significant in creating
antagonism toward Serbia and the Army: the Croatian government had
calculated in using sharpshooters on the Dubrovnik walls to provoke a
YPA attack on the city, knowing that Dubrovnik would attract ?
attention."
Roof tiles blown off by concussion had all been replaced when I visited
the city THREE MONTHS after the ?destruction?.
Dubrovnik?s destruction was an invention of PR companies in the hire of
the war criminals who broke up Yugoslavia without negotiations. The big
bombardment was from PR fakers, not navy guns.-like the Kuwaiti
incubator babies hoax used by President Bush Ist in order to stoke up
war fever. PR liars Hill & Knowlton, Ruder Finn, and Waterman Associates
have earned millions in fanning the flames of this war.
The ?Serb-dominated federal navy? off Dubrovnik was commanded by Admiral
Stane Brovet, a Slovene. The target was not the Old City, but the
Napoleonic fort of St. Sergius far above Dubrovnik and hotels outside
the city walls, where Croatian forces were billeted and because of the
presence of refugees, had set up gun positions from which they fired on
the federal forces in order to provoke death and destruction. Zagreb?s
aim was to provoke a Western attack on the Serbs. On 5 December 1991,
Croatian forces mounted a mortar on a flat bed truck running up and down
the Stradun taking potshots at naval forces in order to provoke
counterfire.
The ?Dubrovnik burning? pictures were shot with long lenses. This
compresses perspective, making it look like there is no distance between
objects that are quite separated in real space. Thus, the columns of
smoke billowing up from the harbor and from modern hotels outside the
walls, where Croatian forces had used a gun positions to provoke naval
return fire. The production is a worthy successor to Hitchcocks? lady
showering in the film ?Psycho.?
That smoke was also from piles of tyres set alight by Croat
secessionists and from fuel tanks of two pleasure boats burning in the
Old Harbor outside, of course, the walls. Dubrovnik?s Old City never
burned. Bullet holes along Stradun were from gunfire inside the walls,
at ground level at close range in a fight on the street between rival
Croatian factions. Scaffolding was set up in front of facades in
anticipation of the shooting to come. Video tapes of gunfire along the
ancient walls, run backward, show clearly that the gun smoke is from
outgoing, not incoming fire.
My videotapes of Dubrovnik from 25 March 1992, have been aired on
Chicago Cable Access TV, Channel 19. Want to see them?
This war is the latest chapter in the predation of Orthodox lands by the
Western Church. (I?m RC, by the way.) The only building in the Old City
of Ragusa to be gutted by explosives and fire had housed a priceless
collection of medieval manuscripts and icons belonging to the Serb
Orthodox Church. It was not navy guns that did the damage, but plastique
and incendiary devices planted on the spot by Croatian fascist forces .
Ca 7,000 Croat refugees from Dubrovnik have taken refuge-in Belgrade.
Professor J. P. Maher
Chicago.
P. S.
A refugee from once independent Ragusa, now incorporated in Titoist, now
fascist Croatia, has written me:
I hope people will at last learn the truth about Dubrovnik. Reporters
should discuss with some of us who have been driven out of Dubrovnik
what happened inside Dubrovnik during the war?
.
Audiatur et altera pars; Let the other side be heard.
It began with Dubrovnikers being fired from their jobs and chased
from the city -- both Serbs and Croats, who did not embrace the
neofascism of Susak and Tudjman.
The first victims killed in the war were two Serbs, one the noted
writer, poet and humanist Milan Milisic, and the other a nurse, whose
brother in law was a commander in Tudjman?s navy, Herr Kommandant Sinisa
Tkalec (who was killed in battle).
These fascists then drove out all Serb intellectuals, lawyers,
judges, doctors, and anyone else who desired the restoration of the old
Free and Independent Republic of Dubrovnik. Members of the convention
held for that purpose in the city of Cavtat (south of Dubrovnik) were
given long prison sentences. The sentence handed out to Alessandro
Apollonio, an Italian, was 15 years prison. Ivo Lang, a Croat from
Cavtat, was sentenced to 12 years. Both, in advanced age, are lucky to
be alive in Serbia. The committee for the restoration of free Dubrovnik
carried on its work from Belgrade, publishing several numbers of the
paper ?Dubrovnik Republic?; But for lack of funds and being cut off from
Dubrovnik, the committee has practically ceased to function.
Even today, to speak of autonomy for Dubrovnik is a criminal act
under the laws of Croatia, unless the one to speak about it is, until
very recently, a fierce Tudjmanite and passionate Ustasha, Ivica Ban, a
finance lawyer.
In the suburb of Mokosica you can find the spot where several Serbs were
burned alive during the withdrawal of the Yugoslav Army from Dubrovnik,
which was negotiated by Cosic and Tudjman. Their burnt out car can still
be seen there.
It would still be possible to visit individuals from the families
killed during the ?transition? of power. Details about them are known,
but it is dangerous to make them public.
Maybe BBC could visit the hundreds of Dubrovnik villas now
inhabited by Liberators from Herzegovina. They are all from the Ustasha
towns of Listica, Duvno, Livno, Imotsko etc. The owners of these houses
are Serbs who in no way can return to their possessions.
Maybe BBC could interview the Catholic families whose sons were
sacrificed in the truce engineered in order to get Tudjman?s
recognition. ?
By all means interview Stipe Mesic about the [big PR] convoy of
the ship LIBERTAS, which which landed armed men in Dubrovnik, Croatia's
equivalent of Hitler's Brown Shirts.
Also ask Mesic to apologize for active participation as the
criminal Tudjman?s close collaborator in the ethnic cleansing of Serb
Dubrovnikers as well as for the numerous crimes against Dubrovnikers
committed by the various Croatian paramilitary units then active. Their
victims include both Serbs and Croats.
For example, the most typical crime was Mercep?s murder of police chief
Miljenko Bratos [Croat] and the murder of [the Croat] Josip Kir-Rajhl in
Borovo Selo [close to Vukovar]
Guardian "journalists" are eagerly awaited by the Dubrovnikers expelled,
ethnically cleansed, after 750 years of peace. ...
Cordially,
(signed) N. N., a citizen of Dubrovnik, writing from exile in
Australia
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 07:43:40 -0500
From: john_peter maher <jpmaher@...>
To: GUARDIANletters <letters@...>
26 June 2001
To The Editor
The Guardian
re Christopher Hope on Dubrovnik, again
Since 1991 the press has dozens of times printed the hoax that the Pearl
of the Adriatic was reduced to rubble. Those stories were fakes. Again
the Guardian's Christopher Hope revives the hoax. It really is dej� vu
all over again. The purpose is to whip up support for shipping more
Serbs off to the Hague.
On 25 March 1992 I visited Dubrovnik to see for myself the truth about
the war. The Old City of Dubrovnik was never destroyed. It was barely
scratched.
Captain Shuttleworth, an English officer of the EEC (now EU) and British
journalist Boris beloff have confirmed my assessment.So has Susan L
Woodward. 1995. Balkan Tragedy Chaos and Dissolution after the Cold War
Washington:
The Brookings Institution:
"An assault on Dubrovnik (beginning in early October), which was
protected under the UN Educational, Scientific, and Cultural
Organization (UNESCO), was particularly significant in creating
antagonism toward Serbia and the Army: the Croatian government had
calculated in using sharpshooters on the Dubrovnik walls to provoke a
YPA attack on the city, knowing that Dubrovnik would attract ?
attention."
Roof tiles blown off by concussion had all been replaced when I visited
the city THREE MONTHS after the ?destruction?.
Dubrovnik?s destruction was an invention of PR companies in the hire of
the war criminals who broke up Yugoslavia without negotiations. The big
bombardment was from PR fakers, not navy guns.-like the Kuwaiti
incubator babies hoax used by President Bush Ist in order to stoke up
war fever. PR liars Hill & Knowlton, Ruder Finn, and Waterman Associates
have earned millions in fanning the flames of this war.
The ?Serb-dominated federal navy? off Dubrovnik was commanded by Admiral
Stane Brovet, a Slovene. The target was not the Old City, but the
Napoleonic fort of St. Sergius far above Dubrovnik and hotels outside
the city walls, where Croatian forces were billeted and because of the
presence of refugees, had set up gun positions from which they fired on
the federal forces in order to provoke death and destruction. Zagreb?s
aim was to provoke a Western attack on the Serbs. On 5 December 1991,
Croatian forces mounted a mortar on a flat bed truck running up and down
the Stradun taking potshots at naval forces in order to provoke
counterfire.
The ?Dubrovnik burning? pictures were shot with long lenses. This
compresses perspective, making it look like there is no distance between
objects that are quite separated in real space. Thus, the columns of
smoke billowing up from the harbor and from modern hotels outside the
walls, where Croatian forces had used a gun positions to provoke naval
return fire. The production is a worthy successor to Hitchcocks? lady
showering in the film ?Psycho.?
That smoke was also from piles of tyres set alight by Croat
secessionists and from fuel tanks of two pleasure boats burning in the
Old Harbor outside, of course, the walls. Dubrovnik?s Old City never
burned. Bullet holes along Stradun were from gunfire inside the walls,
at ground level at close range in a fight on the street between rival
Croatian factions. Scaffolding was set up in front of facades in
anticipation of the shooting to come. Video tapes of gunfire along the
ancient walls, run backward, show clearly that the gun smoke is from
outgoing, not incoming fire.
My videotapes of Dubrovnik from 25 March 1992, have been aired on
Chicago Cable Access TV, Channel 19. Want to see them?
This war is the latest chapter in the predation of Orthodox lands by the
Western Church. (I?m RC, by the way.) The only building in the Old City
of Ragusa to be gutted by explosives and fire had housed a priceless
collection of medieval manuscripts and icons belonging to the Serb
Orthodox Church. It was not navy guns that did the damage, but plastique
and incendiary devices planted on the spot by Croatian fascist forces .
Ca 7,000 Croat refugees from Dubrovnik have taken refuge-in Belgrade.
Professor J. P. Maher
Chicago.
P. S.
A refugee from once independent Ragusa, now incorporated in Titoist, now
fascist Croatia, has written me:
I hope people will at last learn the truth about Dubrovnik. Reporters
should discuss with some of us who have been driven out of Dubrovnik
what happened inside Dubrovnik during the war?
.
Audiatur et altera pars; Let the other side be heard.
It began with Dubrovnikers being fired from their jobs and chased
from the city -- both Serbs and Croats, who did not embrace the
neofascism of Susak and Tudjman.
The first victims killed in the war were two Serbs, one the noted
writer, poet and humanist Milan Milisic, and the other a nurse, whose
brother in law was a commander in Tudjman?s navy, Herr Kommandant Sinisa
Tkalec (who was killed in battle).
These fascists then drove out all Serb intellectuals, lawyers,
judges, doctors, and anyone else who desired the restoration of the old
Free and Independent Republic of Dubrovnik. Members of the convention
held for that purpose in the city of Cavtat (south of Dubrovnik) were
given long prison sentences. The sentence handed out to Alessandro
Apollonio, an Italian, was 15 years prison. Ivo Lang, a Croat from
Cavtat, was sentenced to 12 years. Both, in advanced age, are lucky to
be alive in Serbia. The committee for the restoration of free Dubrovnik
carried on its work from Belgrade, publishing several numbers of the
paper ?Dubrovnik Republic?; But for lack of funds and being cut off from
Dubrovnik, the committee has practically ceased to function.
Even today, to speak of autonomy for Dubrovnik is a criminal act
under the laws of Croatia, unless the one to speak about it is, until
very recently, a fierce Tudjmanite and passionate Ustasha, Ivica Ban, a
finance lawyer.
In the suburb of Mokosica you can find the spot where several Serbs were
burned alive during the withdrawal of the Yugoslav Army from Dubrovnik,
which was negotiated by Cosic and Tudjman. Their burnt out car can still
be seen there.
It would still be possible to visit individuals from the families
killed during the ?transition? of power. Details about them are known,
but it is dangerous to make them public.
Maybe BBC could visit the hundreds of Dubrovnik villas now
inhabited by Liberators from Herzegovina. They are all from the Ustasha
towns of Listica, Duvno, Livno, Imotsko etc. The owners of these houses
are Serbs who in no way can return to their possessions.
Maybe BBC could interview the Catholic families whose sons were
sacrificed in the truce engineered in order to get Tudjman?s
recognition. ?
By all means interview Stipe Mesic about the [big PR] convoy of
the ship LIBERTAS, which which landed armed men in Dubrovnik, Croatia's
equivalent of Hitler's Brown Shirts.
Also ask Mesic to apologize for active participation as the
criminal Tudjman?s close collaborator in the ethnic cleansing of Serb
Dubrovnikers as well as for the numerous crimes against Dubrovnikers
committed by the various Croatian paramilitary units then active. Their
victims include both Serbs and Croats.
For example, the most typical crime was Mercep?s murder of police chief
Miljenko Bratos [Croat] and the murder of [the Croat] Josip Kir-Rajhl in
Borovo Selo [close to Vukovar]
Guardian "journalists" are eagerly awaited by the Dubrovnikers expelled,
ethnically cleansed, after 750 years of peace. ...
Cordially,
(signed) N. N., a citizen of Dubrovnik, writing from exile in
Australia
---
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Subject: BELGRADE, June 2001: PEOPLE DEMANDS
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:55:07 +0200
From: "Vladimir Krsljanin"
To: "Belgrade Forum"
Today, at 6 p.m. another popular rally organized by the Socialist Party
of Serbia is expected in Belgrade. Failure of the authorities to
fulfill demands of the protesters and threatening statements and moves
of Djindjic's NATO/Mafia junta will certainly cause today's
rally to be even more massive. Wave of protests will cover whole Serbia.
Protests will continue until all demands will be fulfilled.
100 000 participants of the popular rally
on June 26, 2001 in Belgrade, demand:
1. Immediate release of Slobodan Milosevic to stand free before charges;
2. No citizen should be delivered to no one outside our country;
3. The decree the Federal Government on extradition of our citizens to
the Hague Tribunal to be declared as unconstitutional and
unlawful;
4. Federal and Serbian governments to resign;
5. Urgent call for extraordinary elections on all levels;
6. Personal responsibility for the unconstitutional and unlawful Federal
government decree to be determined;
7. Free media and stop of the satanization of political opponents;
The participants of the popular rally expect from President Kostunica
and Serbian Prime-minister Djinjdjic to answer in public what
they are going to do referring to the realization of these demands.
Twenty members delegation of SPS leadership handed personally the above
list to President Kostunica today at 11 a.m. in Belgrade.
Same delegation expects the urgent reception by Prime-Minister Djindjic.
After the meeting with Kostunica, SPS delegation has been met by around
thousand citizens and many journalists in front of the
Federation Palace.
In the meeting, President Kostunica have expressed the position that
Decree on extradition shall not be implemented before the
Federal Constitutional Court decides on its (un)constitutionality. Since
yesterday, the Federal Constitutional Court is in session on the
basis of appeals from SPS, 50 professors of law from Belgrade
University, president Milosevic's lawyers, several NGOs and many
individuals.
Talks between President Kostunica and SPS delegation are expected to be
continued. Kostunica promised that he will take into
consideration also some other possible steps and activities on the basis
of his presidential power, position in the leadership of DOS
who provoked the current events in Serbia, in respond to growing
wariness of people.
Belgrade, June 27, 2001
To join or help this struggle, visit:
http://www.sps.org.yu/ (official SPS website)
http://www.belgrade-forum.org/ (forum for the world of equals)
http://www.icdsm.org/ (the international committee to defend Slobodan
Milosevic)
---
> http://emperors-clothes.com/news/rally26.htm
BELGRADE RALLIES AGAINST EXTRADITION!
100,000-200,000 March to Kostunica's Office Demand, "TELL US: WHO RULES
YUGOSLAVIA?"
> http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/fools.htm
"GIVE US MILOSEVIC OR WE WON'T DESTROY YOUR COUNTRY!"
Socialist Party of Serbia blasts the
"Washington-has-Yugoslavia-over-a-barrel" argument.
---
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roland Marounek" <roland.marounek@...>
> To: <LAI@...>
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 10:43 PM
> Subject: "Les promesses d'aide � la Yougoslavie sont un jeu de dupes"
>
>
>
(http://www.lai-aib.org/lai/article_lai.phtml?section%ef%bf%bdABBB&object_id264)
>
> D�claration du Parti Socialiste de Serbie, 31 Mai
>
> Que les dirigeants d'un pays disent au peuple de ce pays qu'ils
doivent
> extrader des patriotes en �change d'argent de la part des forces ayant
> bombard� ce pays est un scandale.
> Mais que les dirigeants d'un pays pr�tendent recevoir de l'argent de
la
part
> des bombardeurs lorsqu'ils savent parfaitement que ce n'est pas le
cas, de
> dire au peuple qu'ils devraient soutenir l'emprisonnement de leurs
patriotes
> en �change d'argent, dont ces dirigeants savent bien qu'il n'existe
pas,
> ceci est la pire trahison.
> Les autorit�s actuelles � Belgrade sont coupables de trahison.
> Aucune conf�rence de donateurs n'a jamais donn� d'argent � aucun pays.
Le
> terme lui-m�me de "donateur" est d�j� une tromperie. La v�ritable
> d�nomination est conf�rence des "cr�diteurs". Si une conf�rence de
> "donateurs" a lieu en juin, ce sera une r�union des banques qui
r�clament
de
> l'argent � la Yougoslavie. Le but de cette r�union, ainsi que celui de
toute
> conf�rence de "donateurs", sera de pr�voir comment vendre la propri�t�
> yougoslave de fa�on � retrouver l'argent qu'elles r�clament le plus
vite
> possible.
> A qui vont elles vendre les industries yougoslaves pour recevoir leur
> argent? En fait � elles-m�mes.
> Combien vont-ils les vendre? Une bagatelle.
> Quelle proportion de la pr�tendue dette sera t-elle pay�e de cette
mani�re?
> Tr�s peu.
> Que va devenir l'industrie que les "donateurs" empochent de cette
fa�on?
> Dans tous les cas o� une telle industrie puisse concurrencer avec une
> industrie des pays "donateurs", les usines seront ferm�es!.
> Prenons un exemple qui eu lieu en Hongrie, un pays dont les dirigeants
ont
> plus que collabor�s avec les �tats-Unis. La firme U.S., General
Electric
> acheta la grande usine d'ampoules �lectriques en Hongrie et l'a ferm�.
> Maintenant les Hongrois doivent acheter les ampoules �lectriques
import�s
> par General Electric.
> Ceci c'est pass� dans des dizaines de pays.
> Des conf�rences de "donateurs" ont aid� � pr�parer la d�vastation des
> �conomies de:
> -l'Ukraine est pass�e du grenier � grain de l'Europe � �tre d�pendant
des
> surplus "alimentaires" occidentaux.
> -la Bulgarie: industrie d�pouill�e et ferm�e
> -la Russie: salaires descendus de pr�s de 90% du jour au lendemain
> -le Vietnam: apr�s la conf�rence de "donateurs", son industrie fut
> d�pouill�e pour fournir de l'argent n�cessaire au remboursement des
> "dettes". Ceci �tait particuli�rement vicieux parce que ces "dettes"
avaient
> �t� accumul�es par le r�gime marionnette du Vietnam-sud. Le Vietnam du
sud
> contracta les "dettes" quand il acheta des armes aux �tats-Unis pour
> combattre les patriotes vietnamiens!
> C'est ce que fait une conf�rence de "donateurs".
> Parfois le travail v�ritable n'a lieu seulement lorsque la conf�rence
> officielle est termin�e, lors de r�unions des clubs de Paris et de
Londres,
> form�s respectivement de grandes banques commerciales et nationales
des
> �tats-Unis et d'Europe.
> Mais une chose qu'aucune conf�rence de "donateurs" n'a jamais fait,
nulle
> part dans le monde, c'est de donner un milliard de dollars, ou bien en
fait
> une quelconque somme, � un pays qui pr�tendument doit de l'argent �
ces
> banques.
> C'est � dire, un peu d'argent peut �tre pr�t� d'un cot�, mais il sera
repris
> aussit�t de l'autre cot�, pour "repayer la dette".
> Cela s'est d�j� pass� avec des millions de dollars pr�tendument
"donn�" �
la
> Yougoslavie par la communaut� internationale. Comme le rapporte dans
un
> texte par Dr. Prof. Michel Chossudovsky:
> "Le conseil [du FMI] approuva un pr�t [de] 151 millions de dollars US
sous
> la politique du FMI d'assistance urgente suite � un conflit pour
supporter
> un programme destin� � stabiliser l'�conomie de la R�publique F�d�rale
de
> Yougoslavie et d'aider la reconstruction des capacit�s
administratives. De
> cette somme, les autorit�s [de Belgrade] retireront ... 130 millions
de
> dollars US pour repayer les pr�ts temporaires qu'elles ont re�ues [de
la
> Suisse et la Norv�ge] de fa�on � �liminer les arri�r�s avec le FMI."
(cit�
> d'apr�s "Economic Terrorism" par Dr. Prof. Michel Chossudovsky)
> En d'autres termes, les autorit�s de Belgrade ont emprunt�s de
l'argent �
la
> Suisse et la Norv�ge pour repayer de l'argent d� au FMI. Ensuite elles
> emprunt�rent de l'argent du FMI - et ce fut pour payer la Suisse et la
> Norv�ge!
> C'est un jeu de dupes.
> Parfois la v�rit� sur les fausses "Conf�rences de "donateurs""
apparaissent
> au grand jour. Consid�rons cet extrait d'une d�p�che de l'agence
'Reuters'.
> 'Reuters' passe en revue toutes les cons�quences terribles qui
arriveront
si
> la Yougoslavie ne coop�re pas. Le premier point est:
> "Les �tats-Unis s'opposeront au pr�ts � la Yougoslavie et �
l'assistance
des
> institutions financi�res internationales telles que le Fond Mon�taire
> international et la Banque Mondiale. Ce qui est en jeu est un projet
de
pr�t
> de 260 millions US par le FMI pour soutenir la r�forme d'une �conomie
sur
le
> point de s'�crouler apr�s des ann�es de sanctions et de guerre."
> NOTEZ qu'il parle de pr�t ici, pas de dons!
> Si l'on se base sur l'exp�rience pass�e, cet argent ne sera jamais
pr�t�.
Et
> m�me s'il �tait pr�t�, il serait imm�diatement utilis� pour rembourser
une
> partie de la dette pr�sum�e. Il n'y aurait pas d'argent qui irait dans
> l'�conomie ou qui atteindrait les gens ordinaires. Et ensuite les 260
> millions que nous n'aurions jamais re�u, devraient �tre rembourser en
> vendant nos industries, en acquies�ant d'acheter des biens de mauvaise
> qualit� au pays de l'OTAN et en reconnaissant des lois qui �liminent
les
> soins sociaux dans notre pays.
> C'est pourquoi tout pays qui a compt� sur ces faux pr�ts a souffert.
Depuis
> 8 ans, nous n'avions plus de pr�ts. En plus nous �tions soumis � des
> sanctions. Mais la Roumanie et la Bulgarie qui n'�taient pas soumises
�
des
> sanctions et qui b�n�ficiaient de pr�ts perdirent leur industrie et
> maintenant leur ch�meurs viennent en Yougoslavie pour trouver un
emploi.
> Nous nous en tirerons toujours mieux par nous-m�mes plut�t qu'en �tant
�
la
> merci de parasites comme le Fond Mon�taire International et la Banque
> Mondiale, dont le seul but est de retirer � des pays comme le n�tre,
tout
ce
> que nous avons acquis � la sueur de notre front.
> Voici la seconde cons�quence 'd�sastreuse' de ne pas coop�rer avec
> Washington:
> "[Cela signifiera le report des] plans de Belgrade de commencer �
n�gocier
> un r�glement de dettes avec le Club de Paris des cr�diteurs souverains
et
> avec les banques commerciales du club de Londres... De sa dette
ext�rieure
> totale de 12,2 milliards de dollars US, la Yougoslavie doit 5
milliards au
> club de Paris et environ 3 milliards au club de Londres." ('Reuters',
2
> Avril 2001)
> Ainsi la "communaut� internationale" annonce que la Yougoslavie lui
doit
12
> milliards (de dollars US). Et si la Yougoslavie ne livre pas
Milosevic,
elle
> n'aura pas le plaisir de retirer toute son industrie pour repayer cet
dette.
> Ne ce serait-ce pas terrible?
> Et comment la "communaut� internationale" se repr�sente elle que la
> Yougoslavie lui doit 12,2 milliards? C'est presque enti�rement des
int�r�ts
> sur des dettes pr�sum�es dues par la R�publique Socialiste Yougoslave,
qui
a
> maintenant cess� d'exister. Voici une nouvelle du 31 D�cembre 1992 qui
> explique tout:
> "de: 'Facts on File World News Digest' 31 D�cembre 1992
> "titre: le FMI exclut la Yougoslavie de ses membres
> "texte: Le Fond Mon�taire International retira la Yougoslavie de ses
membres
> et partagea la dette ext�rieure du pays parmi les 5 r�publiques issues
de
la
> Yougoslavie, qui ont �t� d�sign�e par l'institution financi�re. Le
Fond
> Mon�taire International pris cette d�cision sur la base que la
Yougoslavie
a
> cess� d'exister en tant qu'entit� l�gale.
> "La dette ext�rieure de la Yougoslavie �tait environ de 15 milliards
de
> dollars, y compris 217 millions dus au FMI et 2 milliards dus � la
Banque
> Mondiale.
> "36,5% de la dette furent attribu�s � la Serbie-Mont�n�gro, la
nouvelle
> f�d�ration yougoslave, que le FMI traita comme une r�publique unique.
La
> dette de la Croatie fut estim�e � 28,5%; la Bosnie-Herz�govine, 13,2%;
la
> Slov�nie, 16,4%; et la Mac�doine, 5,4%" {Fin de la d�p�che 'Facts on
File'}
> Ainsi en 1992, le FMI d�cida simplement de dire que la R�publique
F�d�rale
> devait 5,475 milliards de dollars US. Puisque qu'il dit maintenant que
nous
> devons plus de 12 milliards, cela signifie que presque 7 milliards de
la
> dette suppos�e est form�e d'int�r�ts! Et quand fut accumul� cet
int�r�t?
> Cet int�r�t fut accumul� pendant les ann�es de sanctions impos�es par
la
> m�me communaut� internationale qui maintenant pr�tend que nous devons
tous
> ces int�r�ts!
> Ces sanctions ont co�t�s � l'�conomie yougoslave des milliards de
dollars
> US.
> Au nom de quel droit ces gens, qui ont affam� la Yougoslavie avec des
> sanctions, ce qui nous a co�t�s des milliards, et ensuite ont bombard�
la
> Yougoslavie, nous causant au moins 60 milliards de dommages sans
compter
les
> co�ts inestimables en victimes humaines et souffrances, la douleur des
> familles qui perdirent leurs chers, les dommages psychologiques des
enfants,
> forc�s de se terrer � l'abri des bombes, les dommages de longue dur�e
par
> l'uranium appauvri - Comment osent ces affameurs et bombardeurs
maintenant
> r�clamer de l'argent � la Yougoslavie?
> Qui sont ces gens?
> Une conf�rence de "donateurs" ne donnerait pas d'argent � la
Yougoslavie.
> Le seul r�sultat serait: d�vastation de l'�conomie yougoslave. Les
donateurs
> ordonneraient une ventre forc�e des industries pr�cieuses de la
Yougoslavie
> pour une bouch�e de pain aux m�mes banquiers formant la conf�rence de
> donateurs.
> Et lorsque tout sera termin�, la dette serait toujours l�.
> Parce que l'argent rassembl� serait insuffisant, comme c'est toujours
le
> cas, dans tous les pays o� ces banquiers ont impos�s cette arnaque,
pour
> payer la dette. Vous voyez, parce que c'est l'id�e fondamentale. Ils
> utilisent la dette �tendue pour se saisir de l'industrie et quand tout
est
> termin�, ils quittent le pays dont on a retir� tout ce qu'il a su� �
> construire, tout sauf des milliards de dettes.
> Nous ne gagnerions rien de cette conf�rence de donateurs.
> Mais certaines choses auraient disparu.
> Notre industrie aurait disparu
> Notre fiert� aurait disparu
> Notre honneur aurait disparu
> Et nos patriotes, ils auraient disparu �galement, en commen�ant par M.
> Milosevic, mais pas en terminant par lui. Pas en terminant par lui.
> Ne poursuivons pas cette chasse � l'or folle propos�e par les
autorit�s
> actuelles � Belgrade. Comptons sur nous-m�mes, sur notre int�grit� et
sur
> notre travail dur. Faisons du commerce avec nos amis pas avec des
voleurs
> qui essayent de nous casser avec l'illusion fausse de suceurs d'or.
> Lorsqu'elles parlent de l'urgence de cette conf�rence de donateurs,
les
> autorit�s actuelles de Belgrade parlent avec passion.
> Leur passion est r�elle.
> Mais ce n'est pas parce qu'elles craignent que si nous ne suivons pas
leurs
> propositions, la Yougoslavie perdrait de l'argent dont elle a besoin.
Au
> contraire, elles craignent que si elles ne produisent pour leurs
ma�tres �
> Washington, elles seraient punies.
> Car Washington n'a pas d'amis, seulement des victimes futures.
> Washington a con�u la loi de ces autorit�s yougoslaves.
> Ils leur ont dit: vous prenez trop de temps. Donnez nous Milosevic.
Donnez
> nous les patriotes de l'Arm�e Yougoslave. Donnez nous ceux qui nous
ont
> combattu en Bosnie et en Croatie. Donnez nous les MAINTENANT. Et
donnez
nous
> tout ce qui a de la valeur en Yougoslavie.
> Parce que si vous ne le faites pas, nous vous prendrons, les
dirigeants du
> DOS [Opposition D�mocratique de Serbie], � la place.
> -PSS [Parti Socialiste de Serbie], 31 Mai 2001
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:55:07 +0200
From: "Vladimir Krsljanin"
To: "Belgrade Forum"
Today, at 6 p.m. another popular rally organized by the Socialist Party
of Serbia is expected in Belgrade. Failure of the authorities to
fulfill demands of the protesters and threatening statements and moves
of Djindjic's NATO/Mafia junta will certainly cause today's
rally to be even more massive. Wave of protests will cover whole Serbia.
Protests will continue until all demands will be fulfilled.
100 000 participants of the popular rally
on June 26, 2001 in Belgrade, demand:
1. Immediate release of Slobodan Milosevic to stand free before charges;
2. No citizen should be delivered to no one outside our country;
3. The decree the Federal Government on extradition of our citizens to
the Hague Tribunal to be declared as unconstitutional and
unlawful;
4. Federal and Serbian governments to resign;
5. Urgent call for extraordinary elections on all levels;
6. Personal responsibility for the unconstitutional and unlawful Federal
government decree to be determined;
7. Free media and stop of the satanization of political opponents;
The participants of the popular rally expect from President Kostunica
and Serbian Prime-minister Djinjdjic to answer in public what
they are going to do referring to the realization of these demands.
Twenty members delegation of SPS leadership handed personally the above
list to President Kostunica today at 11 a.m. in Belgrade.
Same delegation expects the urgent reception by Prime-Minister Djindjic.
After the meeting with Kostunica, SPS delegation has been met by around
thousand citizens and many journalists in front of the
Federation Palace.
In the meeting, President Kostunica have expressed the position that
Decree on extradition shall not be implemented before the
Federal Constitutional Court decides on its (un)constitutionality. Since
yesterday, the Federal Constitutional Court is in session on the
basis of appeals from SPS, 50 professors of law from Belgrade
University, president Milosevic's lawyers, several NGOs and many
individuals.
Talks between President Kostunica and SPS delegation are expected to be
continued. Kostunica promised that he will take into
consideration also some other possible steps and activities on the basis
of his presidential power, position in the leadership of DOS
who provoked the current events in Serbia, in respond to growing
wariness of people.
Belgrade, June 27, 2001
To join or help this struggle, visit:
http://www.sps.org.yu/ (official SPS website)
http://www.belgrade-forum.org/ (forum for the world of equals)
http://www.icdsm.org/ (the international committee to defend Slobodan
Milosevic)
---
> http://emperors-clothes.com/news/rally26.htm
BELGRADE RALLIES AGAINST EXTRADITION!
100,000-200,000 March to Kostunica's Office Demand, "TELL US: WHO RULES
YUGOSLAVIA?"
> http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/fools.htm
"GIVE US MILOSEVIC OR WE WON'T DESTROY YOUR COUNTRY!"
Socialist Party of Serbia blasts the
"Washington-has-Yugoslavia-over-a-barrel" argument.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roland Marounek" <roland.marounek@...>
> To: <LAI@...>
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 10:43 PM
> Subject: "Les promesses d'aide � la Yougoslavie sont un jeu de dupes"
>
>
>
(http://www.lai-aib.org/lai/article_lai.phtml?section%ef%bf%bdABBB&object_id264)
>
> D�claration du Parti Socialiste de Serbie, 31 Mai
>
> Que les dirigeants d'un pays disent au peuple de ce pays qu'ils
doivent
> extrader des patriotes en �change d'argent de la part des forces ayant
> bombard� ce pays est un scandale.
> Mais que les dirigeants d'un pays pr�tendent recevoir de l'argent de
la
part
> des bombardeurs lorsqu'ils savent parfaitement que ce n'est pas le
cas, de
> dire au peuple qu'ils devraient soutenir l'emprisonnement de leurs
patriotes
> en �change d'argent, dont ces dirigeants savent bien qu'il n'existe
pas,
> ceci est la pire trahison.
> Les autorit�s actuelles � Belgrade sont coupables de trahison.
> Aucune conf�rence de donateurs n'a jamais donn� d'argent � aucun pays.
Le
> terme lui-m�me de "donateur" est d�j� une tromperie. La v�ritable
> d�nomination est conf�rence des "cr�diteurs". Si une conf�rence de
> "donateurs" a lieu en juin, ce sera une r�union des banques qui
r�clament
de
> l'argent � la Yougoslavie. Le but de cette r�union, ainsi que celui de
toute
> conf�rence de "donateurs", sera de pr�voir comment vendre la propri�t�
> yougoslave de fa�on � retrouver l'argent qu'elles r�clament le plus
vite
> possible.
> A qui vont elles vendre les industries yougoslaves pour recevoir leur
> argent? En fait � elles-m�mes.
> Combien vont-ils les vendre? Une bagatelle.
> Quelle proportion de la pr�tendue dette sera t-elle pay�e de cette
mani�re?
> Tr�s peu.
> Que va devenir l'industrie que les "donateurs" empochent de cette
fa�on?
> Dans tous les cas o� une telle industrie puisse concurrencer avec une
> industrie des pays "donateurs", les usines seront ferm�es!.
> Prenons un exemple qui eu lieu en Hongrie, un pays dont les dirigeants
ont
> plus que collabor�s avec les �tats-Unis. La firme U.S., General
Electric
> acheta la grande usine d'ampoules �lectriques en Hongrie et l'a ferm�.
> Maintenant les Hongrois doivent acheter les ampoules �lectriques
import�s
> par General Electric.
> Ceci c'est pass� dans des dizaines de pays.
> Des conf�rences de "donateurs" ont aid� � pr�parer la d�vastation des
> �conomies de:
> -l'Ukraine est pass�e du grenier � grain de l'Europe � �tre d�pendant
des
> surplus "alimentaires" occidentaux.
> -la Bulgarie: industrie d�pouill�e et ferm�e
> -la Russie: salaires descendus de pr�s de 90% du jour au lendemain
> -le Vietnam: apr�s la conf�rence de "donateurs", son industrie fut
> d�pouill�e pour fournir de l'argent n�cessaire au remboursement des
> "dettes". Ceci �tait particuli�rement vicieux parce que ces "dettes"
avaient
> �t� accumul�es par le r�gime marionnette du Vietnam-sud. Le Vietnam du
sud
> contracta les "dettes" quand il acheta des armes aux �tats-Unis pour
> combattre les patriotes vietnamiens!
> C'est ce que fait une conf�rence de "donateurs".
> Parfois le travail v�ritable n'a lieu seulement lorsque la conf�rence
> officielle est termin�e, lors de r�unions des clubs de Paris et de
Londres,
> form�s respectivement de grandes banques commerciales et nationales
des
> �tats-Unis et d'Europe.
> Mais une chose qu'aucune conf�rence de "donateurs" n'a jamais fait,
nulle
> part dans le monde, c'est de donner un milliard de dollars, ou bien en
fait
> une quelconque somme, � un pays qui pr�tendument doit de l'argent �
ces
> banques.
> C'est � dire, un peu d'argent peut �tre pr�t� d'un cot�, mais il sera
repris
> aussit�t de l'autre cot�, pour "repayer la dette".
> Cela s'est d�j� pass� avec des millions de dollars pr�tendument
"donn�" �
la
> Yougoslavie par la communaut� internationale. Comme le rapporte dans
un
> texte par Dr. Prof. Michel Chossudovsky:
> "Le conseil [du FMI] approuva un pr�t [de] 151 millions de dollars US
sous
> la politique du FMI d'assistance urgente suite � un conflit pour
supporter
> un programme destin� � stabiliser l'�conomie de la R�publique F�d�rale
de
> Yougoslavie et d'aider la reconstruction des capacit�s
administratives. De
> cette somme, les autorit�s [de Belgrade] retireront ... 130 millions
de
> dollars US pour repayer les pr�ts temporaires qu'elles ont re�ues [de
la
> Suisse et la Norv�ge] de fa�on � �liminer les arri�r�s avec le FMI."
(cit�
> d'apr�s "Economic Terrorism" par Dr. Prof. Michel Chossudovsky)
> En d'autres termes, les autorit�s de Belgrade ont emprunt�s de
l'argent �
la
> Suisse et la Norv�ge pour repayer de l'argent d� au FMI. Ensuite elles
> emprunt�rent de l'argent du FMI - et ce fut pour payer la Suisse et la
> Norv�ge!
> C'est un jeu de dupes.
> Parfois la v�rit� sur les fausses "Conf�rences de "donateurs""
apparaissent
> au grand jour. Consid�rons cet extrait d'une d�p�che de l'agence
'Reuters'.
> 'Reuters' passe en revue toutes les cons�quences terribles qui
arriveront
si
> la Yougoslavie ne coop�re pas. Le premier point est:
> "Les �tats-Unis s'opposeront au pr�ts � la Yougoslavie et �
l'assistance
des
> institutions financi�res internationales telles que le Fond Mon�taire
> international et la Banque Mondiale. Ce qui est en jeu est un projet
de
pr�t
> de 260 millions US par le FMI pour soutenir la r�forme d'une �conomie
sur
le
> point de s'�crouler apr�s des ann�es de sanctions et de guerre."
> NOTEZ qu'il parle de pr�t ici, pas de dons!
> Si l'on se base sur l'exp�rience pass�e, cet argent ne sera jamais
pr�t�.
Et
> m�me s'il �tait pr�t�, il serait imm�diatement utilis� pour rembourser
une
> partie de la dette pr�sum�e. Il n'y aurait pas d'argent qui irait dans
> l'�conomie ou qui atteindrait les gens ordinaires. Et ensuite les 260
> millions que nous n'aurions jamais re�u, devraient �tre rembourser en
> vendant nos industries, en acquies�ant d'acheter des biens de mauvaise
> qualit� au pays de l'OTAN et en reconnaissant des lois qui �liminent
les
> soins sociaux dans notre pays.
> C'est pourquoi tout pays qui a compt� sur ces faux pr�ts a souffert.
Depuis
> 8 ans, nous n'avions plus de pr�ts. En plus nous �tions soumis � des
> sanctions. Mais la Roumanie et la Bulgarie qui n'�taient pas soumises
�
des
> sanctions et qui b�n�ficiaient de pr�ts perdirent leur industrie et
> maintenant leur ch�meurs viennent en Yougoslavie pour trouver un
emploi.
> Nous nous en tirerons toujours mieux par nous-m�mes plut�t qu'en �tant
�
la
> merci de parasites comme le Fond Mon�taire International et la Banque
> Mondiale, dont le seul but est de retirer � des pays comme le n�tre,
tout
ce
> que nous avons acquis � la sueur de notre front.
> Voici la seconde cons�quence 'd�sastreuse' de ne pas coop�rer avec
> Washington:
> "[Cela signifiera le report des] plans de Belgrade de commencer �
n�gocier
> un r�glement de dettes avec le Club de Paris des cr�diteurs souverains
et
> avec les banques commerciales du club de Londres... De sa dette
ext�rieure
> totale de 12,2 milliards de dollars US, la Yougoslavie doit 5
milliards au
> club de Paris et environ 3 milliards au club de Londres." ('Reuters',
2
> Avril 2001)
> Ainsi la "communaut� internationale" annonce que la Yougoslavie lui
doit
12
> milliards (de dollars US). Et si la Yougoslavie ne livre pas
Milosevic,
elle
> n'aura pas le plaisir de retirer toute son industrie pour repayer cet
dette.
> Ne ce serait-ce pas terrible?
> Et comment la "communaut� internationale" se repr�sente elle que la
> Yougoslavie lui doit 12,2 milliards? C'est presque enti�rement des
int�r�ts
> sur des dettes pr�sum�es dues par la R�publique Socialiste Yougoslave,
qui
a
> maintenant cess� d'exister. Voici une nouvelle du 31 D�cembre 1992 qui
> explique tout:
> "de: 'Facts on File World News Digest' 31 D�cembre 1992
> "titre: le FMI exclut la Yougoslavie de ses membres
> "texte: Le Fond Mon�taire International retira la Yougoslavie de ses
membres
> et partagea la dette ext�rieure du pays parmi les 5 r�publiques issues
de
la
> Yougoslavie, qui ont �t� d�sign�e par l'institution financi�re. Le
Fond
> Mon�taire International pris cette d�cision sur la base que la
Yougoslavie
a
> cess� d'exister en tant qu'entit� l�gale.
> "La dette ext�rieure de la Yougoslavie �tait environ de 15 milliards
de
> dollars, y compris 217 millions dus au FMI et 2 milliards dus � la
Banque
> Mondiale.
> "36,5% de la dette furent attribu�s � la Serbie-Mont�n�gro, la
nouvelle
> f�d�ration yougoslave, que le FMI traita comme une r�publique unique.
La
> dette de la Croatie fut estim�e � 28,5%; la Bosnie-Herz�govine, 13,2%;
la
> Slov�nie, 16,4%; et la Mac�doine, 5,4%" {Fin de la d�p�che 'Facts on
File'}
> Ainsi en 1992, le FMI d�cida simplement de dire que la R�publique
F�d�rale
> devait 5,475 milliards de dollars US. Puisque qu'il dit maintenant que
nous
> devons plus de 12 milliards, cela signifie que presque 7 milliards de
la
> dette suppos�e est form�e d'int�r�ts! Et quand fut accumul� cet
int�r�t?
> Cet int�r�t fut accumul� pendant les ann�es de sanctions impos�es par
la
> m�me communaut� internationale qui maintenant pr�tend que nous devons
tous
> ces int�r�ts!
> Ces sanctions ont co�t�s � l'�conomie yougoslave des milliards de
dollars
> US.
> Au nom de quel droit ces gens, qui ont affam� la Yougoslavie avec des
> sanctions, ce qui nous a co�t�s des milliards, et ensuite ont bombard�
la
> Yougoslavie, nous causant au moins 60 milliards de dommages sans
compter
les
> co�ts inestimables en victimes humaines et souffrances, la douleur des
> familles qui perdirent leurs chers, les dommages psychologiques des
enfants,
> forc�s de se terrer � l'abri des bombes, les dommages de longue dur�e
par
> l'uranium appauvri - Comment osent ces affameurs et bombardeurs
maintenant
> r�clamer de l'argent � la Yougoslavie?
> Qui sont ces gens?
> Une conf�rence de "donateurs" ne donnerait pas d'argent � la
Yougoslavie.
> Le seul r�sultat serait: d�vastation de l'�conomie yougoslave. Les
donateurs
> ordonneraient une ventre forc�e des industries pr�cieuses de la
Yougoslavie
> pour une bouch�e de pain aux m�mes banquiers formant la conf�rence de
> donateurs.
> Et lorsque tout sera termin�, la dette serait toujours l�.
> Parce que l'argent rassembl� serait insuffisant, comme c'est toujours
le
> cas, dans tous les pays o� ces banquiers ont impos�s cette arnaque,
pour
> payer la dette. Vous voyez, parce que c'est l'id�e fondamentale. Ils
> utilisent la dette �tendue pour se saisir de l'industrie et quand tout
est
> termin�, ils quittent le pays dont on a retir� tout ce qu'il a su� �
> construire, tout sauf des milliards de dettes.
> Nous ne gagnerions rien de cette conf�rence de donateurs.
> Mais certaines choses auraient disparu.
> Notre industrie aurait disparu
> Notre fiert� aurait disparu
> Notre honneur aurait disparu
> Et nos patriotes, ils auraient disparu �galement, en commen�ant par M.
> Milosevic, mais pas en terminant par lui. Pas en terminant par lui.
> Ne poursuivons pas cette chasse � l'or folle propos�e par les
autorit�s
> actuelles � Belgrade. Comptons sur nous-m�mes, sur notre int�grit� et
sur
> notre travail dur. Faisons du commerce avec nos amis pas avec des
voleurs
> qui essayent de nous casser avec l'illusion fausse de suceurs d'or.
> Lorsqu'elles parlent de l'urgence de cette conf�rence de donateurs,
les
> autorit�s actuelles de Belgrade parlent avec passion.
> Leur passion est r�elle.
> Mais ce n'est pas parce qu'elles craignent que si nous ne suivons pas
leurs
> propositions, la Yougoslavie perdrait de l'argent dont elle a besoin.
Au
> contraire, elles craignent que si elles ne produisent pour leurs
ma�tres �
> Washington, elles seraient punies.
> Car Washington n'a pas d'amis, seulement des victimes futures.
> Washington a con�u la loi de ces autorit�s yougoslaves.
> Ils leur ont dit: vous prenez trop de temps. Donnez nous Milosevic.
Donnez
> nous les patriotes de l'Arm�e Yougoslave. Donnez nous ceux qui nous
ont
> combattu en Bosnie et en Croatie. Donnez nous les MAINTENANT. Et
donnez
nous
> tout ce qui a de la valeur en Yougoslavie.
> Parce que si vous ne le faites pas, nous vous prendrons, les
dirigeants du
> DOS [Opposition D�mocratique de Serbie], � la place.
> -PSS [Parti Socialiste de Serbie], 31 Mai 2001
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NOTIZIE PER I BAGNANTI
Da "Il messaggero veneto" di mercoled� 6 giugno 2001:
Era stata trovata in un relitto del '700 dagli archeologi
subacquei del nucleo Nausicaa. Stavano cercando cannoni d'epoca
Allarme per una bomba fatta esplodere a Bibione
Gli ospiti di Lignano non sapevano che l'ordigno al fosforo
sarebbe stato fatto brillare. Moltissime le telefonate ai carabinieri
LIGNANO - SABBIADORO - Il boato provocato dall'esplosione di un
ordigno bellico, fatto brillare poco lontano della foce del
Tagliamento, unita alle numerose segnalazioni di turisti ignari
delle cause della deflagrazione, hanno fatto scattare nel tardo
pomeriggio di ieri, a Lignano Sabbiadoro, la macchina dei soccorsi
e della sicurezza. Ad accrescere la paura � stata la colonna di
fumo biancastro, levatasi alta dalla sponda veneta del Tagliamento.
Immediate sono scattate le telefonate al pronto soccorso, alla
protezione civile e ai carabinieri.
Dalle prime ipotesi, sembrava si trattasse di un'imbarcazione in
difficolt� alle prese con un incendio a bordo. Ma giunti sul posto,
la protezione civile con i gommoni e i carabinieri
con la motovedetta non hanno notato nulla di strano e soltanto
dopo qualche tempo, tramite l'ufficio di capitaneria di Porto
di Lignano, l'episodio � stato collegato con il brillamento
dell'ordigno bellico da parte della Marina militare. Si trattava di
una moderna bomba al fosforo di quasi una tonnellata, probabilmente
"perduta" da un aereo in viaggio per una una missione nell'ex
Jugoslavia. Un ordigno finito proprio dentro il relitto di una nave
del '700, e trovato da un gruppo di giovani archeologi della
soprintendenza di Venezia qualche giorno fa.
Ieri la bomba � stata trainata sulla riva di un poligono militare,
una porzione di spaggia riservata agli usi militari sulla costa
di Bibione, e quindi fatta brillare poco prima delle 20 dagli
artificieri del nucleo Sdai della Marina militare. Al largo due
motovedette dell'ufficio circondariale marittimo di Grado e una
della Capitaneria di porto di Caorle seguivano le operazioni.
�Questa avventura - ricordano gli archeologi che si sono trovati
faccia a faccia con l'ordigno - ci ha fatto perdere dieci anni di
vita. Stavamo ispezionando la zona con un "sonar" a
scansione - racconta il subacqueo Francesco Dossola - quando lo
strumento ha segnalato una massa ferrosa. Credevamo fosse un altro
cannone, come quelli gi� trovati nei resti della nave di linea
francese "Mercure", affondata oltre 200 anni fa con tutto il suo
carico dopo uno scontro con i vascelli inglesi in quella che per
gli storici � "la battaglia di Grado". Cos� ci siamo messi a scavare.
A un certo punto ci siamo trovati faccia a faccia con la sagoma
inconfondibile di una bomba�. Immediato l'allarme alla guardia
costiera di Caorle e Grado, che ha allertato gli artificieri della
marina militare che ieri hanno imbragato l'ordigno e trasportato
fino davanti la riva del poligono di tiro, in localit� Lama del
Revelin, e l'hanno fatto brillare.
Il relitto, in cui � stata trovata la bomba, � stato localizzato per
caso in febbraio. Il peschereccio della famiglia Scala aveva perso
alcuni ramponi mentre raccoglieva capesante.
Durante il recupero aveva "tirato su" anche pentole di rame di una
nave antica. Avvertito, il nucleo di archeologia subacquea del centro
e alto Adriatico (Nausicaa) aveva quindi iniziato le ricerche che
avevano portato al colpo fortunato: due cannoni navali della fine del
'700. Nei giorni scorsi le ricerche sono riprese. Proprio durante una
di queste immersioni � stata trovata la bomba al fosforo. M.D.B.
(Scrive Gian: "...Una bomba al fosforo era destinata alla Jugoslavia
ed � invece esplosa il 6 giugno in una spiaggia, a Bibione. Ne ha
parlato il Messaggero Veneto e chi altri?... Mi sembra nessuno...
La notizia in realt� � anche un altra, un ordigno umanitario al
fosforo doveva colpire la Jugoslavia. Il fosforo veniva usato durante
la guerra in Vietnam dagli americani perch� incendiandosi in aria
bruciava tutto ci� che trovava al suolo, civili compresi ovviamente.
Gli stessi impuniti che parlavano d'armi intelligenti tacciono oggi
sulle bombe al fosforo recuperate e fatte brillare all'insaputa di
tutti, anzi no, quasi tutti, visto che il Messaggero Veneto con
involontaria leggerezza ci illustra la sua presenza nei nostri
litorali...
PS. quanto alla modernit� della "bomba al fosforo", di cui parla
l'incauto autore dell'articolo sul Messaggero Veneto, il suo primo
utilizzo in grande scala � nel bombardamento di Dresda (1945) che
cost� 135.000 vittime...")
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Da "Il messaggero veneto" di mercoled� 6 giugno 2001:
Era stata trovata in un relitto del '700 dagli archeologi
subacquei del nucleo Nausicaa. Stavano cercando cannoni d'epoca
Allarme per una bomba fatta esplodere a Bibione
Gli ospiti di Lignano non sapevano che l'ordigno al fosforo
sarebbe stato fatto brillare. Moltissime le telefonate ai carabinieri
LIGNANO - SABBIADORO - Il boato provocato dall'esplosione di un
ordigno bellico, fatto brillare poco lontano della foce del
Tagliamento, unita alle numerose segnalazioni di turisti ignari
delle cause della deflagrazione, hanno fatto scattare nel tardo
pomeriggio di ieri, a Lignano Sabbiadoro, la macchina dei soccorsi
e della sicurezza. Ad accrescere la paura � stata la colonna di
fumo biancastro, levatasi alta dalla sponda veneta del Tagliamento.
Immediate sono scattate le telefonate al pronto soccorso, alla
protezione civile e ai carabinieri.
Dalle prime ipotesi, sembrava si trattasse di un'imbarcazione in
difficolt� alle prese con un incendio a bordo. Ma giunti sul posto,
la protezione civile con i gommoni e i carabinieri
con la motovedetta non hanno notato nulla di strano e soltanto
dopo qualche tempo, tramite l'ufficio di capitaneria di Porto
di Lignano, l'episodio � stato collegato con il brillamento
dell'ordigno bellico da parte della Marina militare. Si trattava di
una moderna bomba al fosforo di quasi una tonnellata, probabilmente
"perduta" da un aereo in viaggio per una una missione nell'ex
Jugoslavia. Un ordigno finito proprio dentro il relitto di una nave
del '700, e trovato da un gruppo di giovani archeologi della
soprintendenza di Venezia qualche giorno fa.
Ieri la bomba � stata trainata sulla riva di un poligono militare,
una porzione di spaggia riservata agli usi militari sulla costa
di Bibione, e quindi fatta brillare poco prima delle 20 dagli
artificieri del nucleo Sdai della Marina militare. Al largo due
motovedette dell'ufficio circondariale marittimo di Grado e una
della Capitaneria di porto di Caorle seguivano le operazioni.
�Questa avventura - ricordano gli archeologi che si sono trovati
faccia a faccia con l'ordigno - ci ha fatto perdere dieci anni di
vita. Stavamo ispezionando la zona con un "sonar" a
scansione - racconta il subacqueo Francesco Dossola - quando lo
strumento ha segnalato una massa ferrosa. Credevamo fosse un altro
cannone, come quelli gi� trovati nei resti della nave di linea
francese "Mercure", affondata oltre 200 anni fa con tutto il suo
carico dopo uno scontro con i vascelli inglesi in quella che per
gli storici � "la battaglia di Grado". Cos� ci siamo messi a scavare.
A un certo punto ci siamo trovati faccia a faccia con la sagoma
inconfondibile di una bomba�. Immediato l'allarme alla guardia
costiera di Caorle e Grado, che ha allertato gli artificieri della
marina militare che ieri hanno imbragato l'ordigno e trasportato
fino davanti la riva del poligono di tiro, in localit� Lama del
Revelin, e l'hanno fatto brillare.
Il relitto, in cui � stata trovata la bomba, � stato localizzato per
caso in febbraio. Il peschereccio della famiglia Scala aveva perso
alcuni ramponi mentre raccoglieva capesante.
Durante il recupero aveva "tirato su" anche pentole di rame di una
nave antica. Avvertito, il nucleo di archeologia subacquea del centro
e alto Adriatico (Nausicaa) aveva quindi iniziato le ricerche che
avevano portato al colpo fortunato: due cannoni navali della fine del
'700. Nei giorni scorsi le ricerche sono riprese. Proprio durante una
di queste immersioni � stata trovata la bomba al fosforo. M.D.B.
(Scrive Gian: "...Una bomba al fosforo era destinata alla Jugoslavia
ed � invece esplosa il 6 giugno in una spiaggia, a Bibione. Ne ha
parlato il Messaggero Veneto e chi altri?... Mi sembra nessuno...
La notizia in realt� � anche un altra, un ordigno umanitario al
fosforo doveva colpire la Jugoslavia. Il fosforo veniva usato durante
la guerra in Vietnam dagli americani perch� incendiandosi in aria
bruciava tutto ci� che trovava al suolo, civili compresi ovviamente.
Gli stessi impuniti che parlavano d'armi intelligenti tacciono oggi
sulle bombe al fosforo recuperate e fatte brillare all'insaputa di
tutti, anzi no, quasi tutti, visto che il Messaggero Veneto con
involontaria leggerezza ci illustra la sua presenza nei nostri
litorali...
PS. quanto alla modernit� della "bomba al fosforo", di cui parla
l'incauto autore dell'articolo sul Messaggero Veneto, il suo primo
utilizzo in grande scala � nel bombardamento di Dresda (1945) che
cost� 135.000 vittime...")
---
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