L'OCCIDENTE ADESSO HA PAURA CHE KOSTUNICA VINCA PER DAVVERO
L'interesse dell'Occidente e' solo nello scoppio di disordini
all'interno del paese. Per questo non vogliono andare al ballottaggio,
che con la partecipazione al voto dei montenegrini e con l'appoggio di
tutte le destre sarebbe vinto da Kostunica con una larga maggioranza.
* Risultati finali e reazioni ufficiali
* Un clamoroso boomerang per l'Occidente
* Il discorso di Kostunica, le dichiarazioni della opposizione
liberal-nazionalista sulle interferenze occidentali, Seselj salta sul
carro di Kostunica
* Auf Deutsch:
> http://www.egroups.com/message/crj-mailinglist/481
Zu den Wahlen in Jugoslawien
Dichiarazioni degli osservatori tedeschi, valutazioni da "Junge Welt"
(http://www.jungewelt.de) e dalla "Kommunistische Plattform" della PDS.
---
RUSULTATI FINALI UFFICIALI
FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF YUGOSLAVIA
YUGOSLAV DAILY SURVEY
BELGRADE, 28 September 2000 No. 3191
S P E C I A L I S S U E
FEDERAL ELECTORAL COMMISSION ANNOUNCES FINAL RESULTS OF
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
BELGRADE, September 28 (Tanjug) The Federal Electoral
Commission
announced early on Thursday the final results of the Yugoslav
presidential
election, which show that none of the candidates has won over 50 percent
of
the votes and that a runoff election will therefore have to be held.
According to the Federal Parliament Press Service, the
elections
were democratic and fair and the Commission had received no complaints
from
any of the polling stations regarding the regularity of the presidential
election.
At its session late on Wednesday, the Commission adopted a
decision on determining the results of the federal presidential
election.
According to the results from 10,673 polling stations, the
turnout
was 69.7 percent, or 5,053,428 voters out of the total electorate of
7,249,831, and the percentage of invalid ballots was 2.68.
The presidential candidates won the following number of votes:
Miodrag Vidojkovic 46,421 or 0.92 percent
Vojislav Kostunica 2,474,392 or 48.96 percent
Slobodan Milosevic 1,951,761 or 38.62 percent
Vojislav Mihailovic 146,585 or 2.90 percent
Tomislav Nikolic 292,759 or 5.79 percent
On the basis of these results, the Commission took note that
none
of the candidates won the necessary majority of votes in the first round
and ruled that a runoff election will be held according to law.
The two candidates with the highest number of votes Vojislav
Kostunica and Slobodan Milosevic will run in the second round, that the
Commission scheduled for Sunday, October 8, 2000.
YUGOSLAVIA WILL PURSUE POLICY OF EQUALITY AND COOPERATION JOVANOVIC
BELGRADE, September 28 (Tanjug) Yugoslav Foreign Minister
Zivadin
Jovanovic said late on Wednesday that the victory of the leftists'
coalition of the Socialist Party of Serbia (SPS), the Yugoslav Left
(JUL)
and the Socialist National Party of Montenegro (SNP) at the
parliamentary
elections guarantees that the policy of defending freedom, independence,
sovereignty and territorial integrity and of cooperation with all
countries
on the basis of equality will continue to be pursued.
Speaking for RadioTelevision Serbia (RTS), Jovanovic said that
media and political pressure against Yugoslavia by both foreign and
domestic, socalled independent media, intensifies, all in order to
present
the situation as it suits them.
"It is wellknown that the US policy in countries such as
Yugoslavia is based on the people and organizations that materially
depend
on the United States," said Jovanovic.
Discussing the international policy, he stressed that
Yugoslavia
has intensive contacts and friendly relations with representatives of
countries all around the world.
"The majority of countries gladly accept Yugoslavia as a friend
and a partner in bilateral cooperation at the international scene," said
Jovanovic.
Our policy the policy of defending freedom, independence and
respect of principles, of equal cooperation with all countries, above
all
our neighbours, is highly respected, stressed Jovanovic noting that "
the
process of normalization of Yugoslavia's status in many international
organizations is moving forward."
---
Sulle notizie (false e/o tendenziose) riportate dai nostri media:
Notizia falsa:
- La Repubblica Federale Jugoslava è una Repubblica Presidenziale in cui
il
Presidente eletto ha pieni poteri (modello Usa - P2).
Ne conseguirebbe una decisiva importanza dell'esito delle votazioni
presidenziali. In quest'ottica, nessun dato viene diffuso e commentato
sull'esito delle elezioni politiche che hanno eletto i membri del
Parlamento. I
servizi sulla Jugoslavia (più spesso detta Serbia tout court, o come Rai
3 che
riesce a dire "elezioni in ex-Jugoslavia - dove, in Slovenia?), ora
passati in
secondo o terzo piano, insistono sui presunti brogli, sullo 'scippo'
del
ballottaggio presidenziale, sui democratici ricatti dell'occidente al
despota
balcanico, ma si guardano bene dal raccontare a dovere esiti e
prospettive
del voto politico.
Realtà:
- La RFJ è una Repubblica parlamentare il cui Parlamento elegge il Primo
Ministro, che detiene il Governo del Paese.
Ne consegue che con i dati attuali delle elezioni politiche e
presidenziali, le
Camere avranno una maggioranza di sinistra (partiti Socialista -
Comunista -
Socialista del Montenegro) che esprimerà il Primo ministro. E' nella
loro
facoltà legittima e democratica, ad esempio, eleggere Milosevic a capo
del
Governo...
Ne consegue inoltre che con Kostunica presidente o meno, con
ballottaggio
o meno, il governo non sarà comunque filooccidentale (e nemmeno
Kostunica potrebbe 'tradire' i suoi molti elettori ipernazionalisti e
monarchici), checchè ne dica la Nato e i suoi/nostri media, ai quali non
resta
che soffiare sul fuoco della protesta di piazza e sulla 'speranza'
indotta di
un'evoluzione violenta che sfoci in una guerra civile, per far poi
intervenire i
'democraticizzatori' presenti in forze nell'Adriatico.
Queste elezioni, che volevano essere sfruttate per risolvere una volta
per
tutte l'"anomalia jugoslava", si sono trasformate per l'occidente in un
boomerang. Gli è andata male, la Jugoslavia vivrà.
(G. Ellero, da pck-yugoslavia@...)
---
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/kostunica2.html
ANTIWAR, Wednesday, September 27, 2000
We Will Defend Ourselves
by Vojislav Kostunica (9/27/00)
Editorial note: What follows is the full text of Vojislav Kostunica's
[September 27] speech a crowd of more than 200,000 in Belgrade,
Yugoslavia.
Dear, brave fellow-citizens, free people, we have won! We have won in
spite of lies and Slobodan Milosevic's violence. We have won despite the
sanctions we have lived under for years, despite the NATO bombs which
fell last year, despite some democrats in Serbia and Montenegro who have
turned their backs on us. There lies our strength, and perhaps our
stubbornness, but this is the real Serbia.
All of us on Sunday said what kind of Serbia we want to live in. They
have once more tried to sneer at the will of the people, they have tried
again to steal the elections; they have tried to bargain on the second
round, but we are saying to them: there will be no second round, there
is no bargaining. We are fighting for democracy and democracy is based
on truth, not on lies. The truth is that we have won this election. If
we were to bargain with them we would be recognizing lies instead of the
truth. In any case, democracy is based on the will of the people, on the
will of the majority. Who are they? How many of them are left? They are
a minority, a minority of those around him. The majority of the
Socialists don't want to take part in the fraud. They don't want to be
destroyed with him.
We are strong at this moment because we have the support of the world.
Of Russia, of the European Union. This support is important but it is
not decisive: what is decisive is our strength, our will, our
determination to stop whims of one man. There will be no sacred
individuals in this country; only the will of the people and the law
will be sacred. My message to the Socialists is that we will not act as
did your leaders; we will not hound people who have opposing opinions;
we will not burst into other people's houses; we will not buy ruined
companies; we will not remove the property of the people from the
country.
My message to the army and the police is that we are one: the army and
the police are part of the people, the part which defends the country, a
part which should not defend only one man and his family.
Slobodan Milosevic is a tyrant who has lost his strength and the only
thing left for him is to grasp one simple fact. If he did not understand
it while he was in power, then he will understand it when we divorce him
from power. We will defend the country, we will defend ourselves,
because we have freed ourselves. September 24 was the confirmation of
our deliverance.
We Don't Need Your Help, Opposition Serbs Tell West
http://www.centraleurope.com/yugoslaviatoday/news.php3?id=203564
We Don't Need Your Help, Opposition Serbs Tell West
BELGRADE, Sep 27, 2000 -- (Reuters) Serbian opposition leaders and
ordinary
Belgraders on Tuesday said a warning by Britain to Slobodan Milosevic
would
hurt, not help, their struggle to oust the embattled Yugoslav leader.
"We do not need their help. Statements like this are not helping the
opposition at all," said Gordana, a 35-year-old civil engineer.
"If they want Milosevic to leave, they should keep quiet," she said.
"They should remember that although the majority of citizens are against
Milosevic, we have not forgotten that they bombed us."
"They should stay out of this. Elections are our internal affair," said
Milan, a waiter in a Belgrade restaurant. "The dispute over election
results
should be resolved just like Kostunica said - with reason and in a
democratic
manner."
Serb opposition officials also made clear that they could do without
statements like British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook's warning to
Milosevic
not to use "naked power" to cling to office.
"I am begging some unhinged world leaders to spare us any
counterproductive
help because so far they have made many promises and done many things
which
have only caused the suffering of our people," said Momcilo Perisic,
leader
of the tiny opposition Movement for Democratic Serbia.
"And I beg them to finally realize that they should not settle their
accounts with Milosevic, or he with them, at the expense of the lives of
our
citizens," he told Reuters.
TROOPS AT HAND
Cook, speaking at the annual conference of Britain's ruling Labor Party,
also said on Tuesday that Western powers had plenty of military might
near
Serbia.
Britain has 15 warships in the Mediterranean, with 5,000 sailors, Royal
Marines and aircrew. Tens of thousands of NATO-led troops are securing
peace
in Bosnia and Kosovo. And hundreds of U.S. troops took part in a joint
assault on an Adriatic island off Croatia on Tuesday.
Asked about Cook's remarks, Goran Svilanovic of the Civic Alliance of
Serbia
said: "There is no need for anyone from the outside to participate in
the
process of peaceful change of power and no one can benefit from
statements
such as these."
Perisic's and Svilanovic's parties are members of the Democratic
Opposition of
Serbia bloc, which says its presidential candidate Vojislav Kostunica
won a
first round victory in Sunday's presidential elections.
Milosevic and his backers have showed no sign of admitting defeat, with
his
Socialist Party insisting their candidate won.
The Federal Election Commission said the official results would be
announced
on Thursday.
During the election campaign, the Belgrade authorities had branded their
domestic opponents NATO lackeys plotting to destroy Serbia under Western
instructions.
Reflecting this, Kostunica has distanced himself from the West,
criticizing
especially U.S. policy in the Balkans and the UN tribunal that has
indicted
Milosevic for war crimes.
JUGOSLAVIA: CONGRATULAZIONI SESELJ A KOSTUNICA, HAI VINTO
(ANSA) - BELGRADO, 28 SET - Il leader del Partito radicale serbo (Srs),
l'ultranazionalista Vojslav Seselj, si e' congratulato con il candidato
dell'Opposizione democratica serba (Dos) alle elezioni presidenziali
jugoslave Vojislav Kostunica per ''la vittoria al primo turno'' nella
consultazione. Per il Srs, ha sottolineato Seselj sconfessando il
ballotaggio indetto dalla commissione elettorale centrale, ''le elezioni
sono finite''. ''Sono avvenuti pesanti brogli'', ha aggiunto il leader
ultranazionalista. Seselj ha poi detto di ''essere aperto'' all'ipotesi
di
aprire assieme al leader del Movimento per il rinnovamento serbo Vuk
Draskovic una grisi nel parlamento repubblicano serbo, dove i due
partiti
avrebbero assieme la maggioranza. ''Milosevic per 13 anni e' stato una
figura chiave per la Serbia, ha fatto molti errori politici ed e'
diventato
fastidioso per il popolo serbo'', ha aggiunto Seselj. (ANSA)
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L'interesse dell'Occidente e' solo nello scoppio di disordini
all'interno del paese. Per questo non vogliono andare al ballottaggio,
che con la partecipazione al voto dei montenegrini e con l'appoggio di
tutte le destre sarebbe vinto da Kostunica con una larga maggioranza.
* Risultati finali e reazioni ufficiali
* Un clamoroso boomerang per l'Occidente
* Il discorso di Kostunica, le dichiarazioni della opposizione
liberal-nazionalista sulle interferenze occidentali, Seselj salta sul
carro di Kostunica
* Auf Deutsch:
> http://www.egroups.com/message/crj-mailinglist/481
Zu den Wahlen in Jugoslawien
Dichiarazioni degli osservatori tedeschi, valutazioni da "Junge Welt"
(http://www.jungewelt.de) e dalla "Kommunistische Plattform" della PDS.
---
RUSULTATI FINALI UFFICIALI
FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF YUGOSLAVIA
YUGOSLAV DAILY SURVEY
BELGRADE, 28 September 2000 No. 3191
S P E C I A L I S S U E
FEDERAL ELECTORAL COMMISSION ANNOUNCES FINAL RESULTS OF
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
BELGRADE, September 28 (Tanjug) The Federal Electoral
Commission
announced early on Thursday the final results of the Yugoslav
presidential
election, which show that none of the candidates has won over 50 percent
of
the votes and that a runoff election will therefore have to be held.
According to the Federal Parliament Press Service, the
elections
were democratic and fair and the Commission had received no complaints
from
any of the polling stations regarding the regularity of the presidential
election.
At its session late on Wednesday, the Commission adopted a
decision on determining the results of the federal presidential
election.
According to the results from 10,673 polling stations, the
turnout
was 69.7 percent, or 5,053,428 voters out of the total electorate of
7,249,831, and the percentage of invalid ballots was 2.68.
The presidential candidates won the following number of votes:
Miodrag Vidojkovic 46,421 or 0.92 percent
Vojislav Kostunica 2,474,392 or 48.96 percent
Slobodan Milosevic 1,951,761 or 38.62 percent
Vojislav Mihailovic 146,585 or 2.90 percent
Tomislav Nikolic 292,759 or 5.79 percent
On the basis of these results, the Commission took note that
none
of the candidates won the necessary majority of votes in the first round
and ruled that a runoff election will be held according to law.
The two candidates with the highest number of votes Vojislav
Kostunica and Slobodan Milosevic will run in the second round, that the
Commission scheduled for Sunday, October 8, 2000.
YUGOSLAVIA WILL PURSUE POLICY OF EQUALITY AND COOPERATION JOVANOVIC
BELGRADE, September 28 (Tanjug) Yugoslav Foreign Minister
Zivadin
Jovanovic said late on Wednesday that the victory of the leftists'
coalition of the Socialist Party of Serbia (SPS), the Yugoslav Left
(JUL)
and the Socialist National Party of Montenegro (SNP) at the
parliamentary
elections guarantees that the policy of defending freedom, independence,
sovereignty and territorial integrity and of cooperation with all
countries
on the basis of equality will continue to be pursued.
Speaking for RadioTelevision Serbia (RTS), Jovanovic said that
media and political pressure against Yugoslavia by both foreign and
domestic, socalled independent media, intensifies, all in order to
present
the situation as it suits them.
"It is wellknown that the US policy in countries such as
Yugoslavia is based on the people and organizations that materially
depend
on the United States," said Jovanovic.
Discussing the international policy, he stressed that
Yugoslavia
has intensive contacts and friendly relations with representatives of
countries all around the world.
"The majority of countries gladly accept Yugoslavia as a friend
and a partner in bilateral cooperation at the international scene," said
Jovanovic.
Our policy the policy of defending freedom, independence and
respect of principles, of equal cooperation with all countries, above
all
our neighbours, is highly respected, stressed Jovanovic noting that "
the
process of normalization of Yugoslavia's status in many international
organizations is moving forward."
---
Sulle notizie (false e/o tendenziose) riportate dai nostri media:
Notizia falsa:
- La Repubblica Federale Jugoslava è una Repubblica Presidenziale in cui
il
Presidente eletto ha pieni poteri (modello Usa - P2).
Ne conseguirebbe una decisiva importanza dell'esito delle votazioni
presidenziali. In quest'ottica, nessun dato viene diffuso e commentato
sull'esito delle elezioni politiche che hanno eletto i membri del
Parlamento. I
servizi sulla Jugoslavia (più spesso detta Serbia tout court, o come Rai
3 che
riesce a dire "elezioni in ex-Jugoslavia - dove, in Slovenia?), ora
passati in
secondo o terzo piano, insistono sui presunti brogli, sullo 'scippo'
del
ballottaggio presidenziale, sui democratici ricatti dell'occidente al
despota
balcanico, ma si guardano bene dal raccontare a dovere esiti e
prospettive
del voto politico.
Realtà:
- La RFJ è una Repubblica parlamentare il cui Parlamento elegge il Primo
Ministro, che detiene il Governo del Paese.
Ne consegue che con i dati attuali delle elezioni politiche e
presidenziali, le
Camere avranno una maggioranza di sinistra (partiti Socialista -
Comunista -
Socialista del Montenegro) che esprimerà il Primo ministro. E' nella
loro
facoltà legittima e democratica, ad esempio, eleggere Milosevic a capo
del
Governo...
Ne consegue inoltre che con Kostunica presidente o meno, con
ballottaggio
o meno, il governo non sarà comunque filooccidentale (e nemmeno
Kostunica potrebbe 'tradire' i suoi molti elettori ipernazionalisti e
monarchici), checchè ne dica la Nato e i suoi/nostri media, ai quali non
resta
che soffiare sul fuoco della protesta di piazza e sulla 'speranza'
indotta di
un'evoluzione violenta che sfoci in una guerra civile, per far poi
intervenire i
'democraticizzatori' presenti in forze nell'Adriatico.
Queste elezioni, che volevano essere sfruttate per risolvere una volta
per
tutte l'"anomalia jugoslava", si sono trasformate per l'occidente in un
boomerang. Gli è andata male, la Jugoslavia vivrà.
(G. Ellero, da pck-yugoslavia@...)
---
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/kostunica2.html
ANTIWAR, Wednesday, September 27, 2000
We Will Defend Ourselves
by Vojislav Kostunica (9/27/00)
Editorial note: What follows is the full text of Vojislav Kostunica's
[September 27] speech a crowd of more than 200,000 in Belgrade,
Yugoslavia.
Dear, brave fellow-citizens, free people, we have won! We have won in
spite of lies and Slobodan Milosevic's violence. We have won despite the
sanctions we have lived under for years, despite the NATO bombs which
fell last year, despite some democrats in Serbia and Montenegro who have
turned their backs on us. There lies our strength, and perhaps our
stubbornness, but this is the real Serbia.
All of us on Sunday said what kind of Serbia we want to live in. They
have once more tried to sneer at the will of the people, they have tried
again to steal the elections; they have tried to bargain on the second
round, but we are saying to them: there will be no second round, there
is no bargaining. We are fighting for democracy and democracy is based
on truth, not on lies. The truth is that we have won this election. If
we were to bargain with them we would be recognizing lies instead of the
truth. In any case, democracy is based on the will of the people, on the
will of the majority. Who are they? How many of them are left? They are
a minority, a minority of those around him. The majority of the
Socialists don't want to take part in the fraud. They don't want to be
destroyed with him.
We are strong at this moment because we have the support of the world.
Of Russia, of the European Union. This support is important but it is
not decisive: what is decisive is our strength, our will, our
determination to stop whims of one man. There will be no sacred
individuals in this country; only the will of the people and the law
will be sacred. My message to the Socialists is that we will not act as
did your leaders; we will not hound people who have opposing opinions;
we will not burst into other people's houses; we will not buy ruined
companies; we will not remove the property of the people from the
country.
My message to the army and the police is that we are one: the army and
the police are part of the people, the part which defends the country, a
part which should not defend only one man and his family.
Slobodan Milosevic is a tyrant who has lost his strength and the only
thing left for him is to grasp one simple fact. If he did not understand
it while he was in power, then he will understand it when we divorce him
from power. We will defend the country, we will defend ourselves,
because we have freed ourselves. September 24 was the confirmation of
our deliverance.
We Don't Need Your Help, Opposition Serbs Tell West
http://www.centraleurope.com/yugoslaviatoday/news.php3?id=203564
We Don't Need Your Help, Opposition Serbs Tell West
BELGRADE, Sep 27, 2000 -- (Reuters) Serbian opposition leaders and
ordinary
Belgraders on Tuesday said a warning by Britain to Slobodan Milosevic
would
hurt, not help, their struggle to oust the embattled Yugoslav leader.
"We do not need their help. Statements like this are not helping the
opposition at all," said Gordana, a 35-year-old civil engineer.
"If they want Milosevic to leave, they should keep quiet," she said.
"They should remember that although the majority of citizens are against
Milosevic, we have not forgotten that they bombed us."
"They should stay out of this. Elections are our internal affair," said
Milan, a waiter in a Belgrade restaurant. "The dispute over election
results
should be resolved just like Kostunica said - with reason and in a
democratic
manner."
Serb opposition officials also made clear that they could do without
statements like British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook's warning to
Milosevic
not to use "naked power" to cling to office.
"I am begging some unhinged world leaders to spare us any
counterproductive
help because so far they have made many promises and done many things
which
have only caused the suffering of our people," said Momcilo Perisic,
leader
of the tiny opposition Movement for Democratic Serbia.
"And I beg them to finally realize that they should not settle their
accounts with Milosevic, or he with them, at the expense of the lives of
our
citizens," he told Reuters.
TROOPS AT HAND
Cook, speaking at the annual conference of Britain's ruling Labor Party,
also said on Tuesday that Western powers had plenty of military might
near
Serbia.
Britain has 15 warships in the Mediterranean, with 5,000 sailors, Royal
Marines and aircrew. Tens of thousands of NATO-led troops are securing
peace
in Bosnia and Kosovo. And hundreds of U.S. troops took part in a joint
assault on an Adriatic island off Croatia on Tuesday.
Asked about Cook's remarks, Goran Svilanovic of the Civic Alliance of
Serbia
said: "There is no need for anyone from the outside to participate in
the
process of peaceful change of power and no one can benefit from
statements
such as these."
Perisic's and Svilanovic's parties are members of the Democratic
Opposition of
Serbia bloc, which says its presidential candidate Vojislav Kostunica
won a
first round victory in Sunday's presidential elections.
Milosevic and his backers have showed no sign of admitting defeat, with
his
Socialist Party insisting their candidate won.
The Federal Election Commission said the official results would be
announced
on Thursday.
During the election campaign, the Belgrade authorities had branded their
domestic opponents NATO lackeys plotting to destroy Serbia under Western
instructions.
Reflecting this, Kostunica has distanced himself from the West,
criticizing
especially U.S. policy in the Balkans and the UN tribunal that has
indicted
Milosevic for war crimes.
JUGOSLAVIA: CONGRATULAZIONI SESELJ A KOSTUNICA, HAI VINTO
(ANSA) - BELGRADO, 28 SET - Il leader del Partito radicale serbo (Srs),
l'ultranazionalista Vojslav Seselj, si e' congratulato con il candidato
dell'Opposizione democratica serba (Dos) alle elezioni presidenziali
jugoslave Vojislav Kostunica per ''la vittoria al primo turno'' nella
consultazione. Per il Srs, ha sottolineato Seselj sconfessando il
ballotaggio indetto dalla commissione elettorale centrale, ''le elezioni
sono finite''. ''Sono avvenuti pesanti brogli'', ha aggiunto il leader
ultranazionalista. Seselj ha poi detto di ''essere aperto'' all'ipotesi
di
aprire assieme al leader del Movimento per il rinnovamento serbo Vuk
Draskovic una grisi nel parlamento repubblicano serbo, dove i due
partiti
avrebbero assieme la maggioranza. ''Milosevic per 13 anni e' stato una
figura chiave per la Serbia, ha fatto molti errori politici ed e'
diventato
fastidioso per il popolo serbo'', ha aggiunto Seselj. (ANSA)
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e-mail: crj@... - URL: http://marx2001.org/crj
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