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22 Reasons Why I Don't Want to be Imprisoned by the
Hague 'Tribunal'
[Posted 6 March 2002]
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Introductory Note

"What follows is taken from the Hague 'Tribunal's' rules covering
detention, visits and communications. Another piece, covering procedures
and evidence will follow. Note that these rules are for people who have
not been convicted of anything and who can have no expectation of a
speedy trial. Quite the contrary.

As you may recall, when the be-robed Chairman of the 'Tribunal,' Mr.
May, confronted Mr. Milosevic last week, he assured the world that
Milosevic would be afforded all rights under International Law. Then,
when Mr. Milosevic responded, his microphone was cut off several times,
producing periods of silence.

It is a feature of the New World Order that the most extreme attacks on
individuals and nations are presented as a defense of those individual
and nations. Thus when NATO marched into Kosovo, it broadcast advance
propaganda assuring Serbs, 'Gypsies' and Jews that NATO would guarantee
democratic, multiethnic life. Then their homes were seized or burned and
looted and they were expelled.

Similarly, the 'Tribunal' has rules which deny prisoners normal legal
rights. But these rules are couched in language that appears to grant
rights. 'War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery.' George Orwell, '1984.'"

- George Szamuely and Jared Israel

"Rules Governing The Detention Of Persons
Awaiting Trial Or Appeal Before The Tribunal..."

Reason That I Wouldn't Want to Be Imprisoned by the 'Tribunal, #1.
Rule 36 bis (A) - The Commanding Officer of the Detention Unit may
decide upon the search of a detainee's cell if he suspects that the cell
contains an item which constitutes a threat to the security or good
order of the detention unit or the host prison, or the health and safety
of any person therein.

Reason 2. Rule 36 ter (A) - In exceptional circumstances, in order to
protect the health or the safety of the detainee, the Registrar, with
the approval of the President, may order that the cell of the detainee
be monitored by video surveillance equipment for a period not exceeding
thirty days.

Reason 3. Rule 63 (A) - Detainees shall be entitled to receive visits
from family, friends and others, subject only to the provisions of Rule
66 and to such restrictions and supervision as the Commanding Officer,
in consultation with the Registrar, may impose. Such restrictions and
supervision must be necessary in the interests of the administration
of justice or the security and good order of the host prison and the
detention unit.

(B) The Registrar may refuse to allow a person to visit a detainee if he
has reason to believe that the purpose of the visit is to obtain
information which may be subsequently reported in the media.

Reason 4. Rule 64 - A detainee...may refuse to see any visitor other
than a representative of the Prosecutor.

Reason 5. Rule 66 (A) - The Prosecutor may request the Registrar or, in
cases of emergency, the Commanding Officer, to prohibit, regulate or set
conditions for contact between a detainee and any other person if the
Prosecutor has reasonable grounds for believing that such contact:

(ii) could prejudice or otherwise affect the outcome of:

(a) the proceedings against the detainee; or, (b) any other
investigation;

(iv) could be used by the detainee to breach an order for
non-disclosure made by a Judge or a Chamber pursuant to Rule 53 or Rule
75 of the Rules of Procedure and Evidence.

Reason 6. Rule 76 (A) - If, in the opinion of the Prosecutor, the
interests of justice would not be served by allowing a particular
detainee unrestricted access to the news, or that such unrestricted
access could prejudice the outcome of the proceedings against the
detainee or of any other investigation, the Prosecutor may request the
Registrar, or in cases of urgency, the Commanding Officer to restrict
such access.

The following are from rules on "Visits And
Communications" of detainees...

Reason 7. Regulation 3 - Incoming mail will be inspected both on
delivery to the host prison and to the United Nations detention unit.

Reason 8. Regulation 4 (A) - The Commanding Officer may confiscate any
item which, in his opinion, constitutes a threat to:

(i) the security or good order of the detention unit or the host
prison; or,

Reason 9. Regulation 8 (A) - The Registrar, or a person authorised by
him, shall, within twenty-four hours of receipt, open and read, or have
read, each item of mail.

Regulation 8 (B) - Items of opened mail shall be delivered to the
detainee or posted to the addressee immediately thereafter and the
detainee informed accordingly unless the item:

(i) is in breach of:

(a) the Rules of Detention;

(b) these Regulations; or,

(c) an Order of the Tribunal;

(ii) gives reasonable grounds to the Registrar, or a person
authorised by him, to believe that the detainee may be attempting to:

(b) interfere with or intimidate a witness;

(c) interfere with the administration of justice; or,

(d) otherwise disturb the security and good order of the
detention unit.

Reason 10. Regulation 9 (A) - If the Registrar, or a person authorised
by him, finds there to have been a breach of the Rules of Detention,
these Regulations or an Order of the Tribunal, an offending item of:

(i) outgoing mail shall be returned to the detainee together with
a note from the Registrar, in a language the detainee understands,
giving the reasons for refusal to post the offending item;

(ii) incoming mail shall, in the sole discretion of the
Registrar, either be returned to the sender or retained by the Registrar
and the detainee shall be informed accordingly .

Regulation 9 (B) - Detainees shall be given the opportunity to rewrite
items of outgoing mail omitting the offending part.

Regulation 9 (C) - A copy shall be kept by the Registrar of all
offending items and any offending enclosure may be confiscated.

Regulation 9 (D) - The Registrar may also notify the Prosecutor, the
Commanding Officer and, if deemed necessary, the Dutch authorities of
the breach and of the nature of the offending item.

Reason 11. Regulation 11 (A) - Correspondence addressed to or from
counsel for the detainee shall not be interfered with in any manner
unless the Commanding Officer or the Registrar has reasonable grounds
for believing that this facility is being abused in an attempt to:

(ii) interfere with or intimidate a witness;

(iii) interfere with the administration of justice; or,

(iv) otherwise disturb the good order of the detention unit.

Regulation 11 (B) - In any such case, the Commanding Officer shall
immediately forward the item in question to the Registrar, unopened, and
shall enter details of the interception in the log referred to above and
notify the detainee accordingly.

Regulation 11 (C) - The Registrar shall contact the counsel to whom the
item is addressed or by whom it was sent and request counsel to open the
item in his presence.

Regulation 11 (D) - Counsel may be required to explain to the Registrar,
in one of the working languages of the Tribunal, the nature of the item
and to hand over any offending item or enclosure .

Reason 12. Regulation 14 (C) - Parcels containing items that, in the
sole discretion of the Commanding Officer , pose a threat to the safety
and good order of the detention unit shall be confiscated and their
contents retained or disposed of in accordance with Rule 14 of the Rules
of Detention and the detainee informed accordingly.

Reason 13. Regulation 15 -The Commanding Officer may, in consultation
with the Registrar, place such restrictions upon the time that a
detainee may spend on any one telephone call as are reasonable for the
good order of the detention unit.

Reason 14. Regulation 19 - If the Commanding Officer believes that he
has reasonable grounds for intervention , he may immediately terminate a
call and advise the detainee of his reasons for so doing. The Commanding
Officer shall also report the matter to the Registrar.

Reason 15. Regulation 20 - Telephone conversations will not be recorded
or monitored unless:

(A) the Commanding Officer or the Registrar has reasonable grounds for
believing that the detainee may be attempting to:

(ii) interfere with or intimidate a witness;

(iii) interfere with the administration of justice; or,

(iv) otherwise disturb the maintenance of good order in the
detention unit;

(B) an Order for non-disclosure has been made by a Judge or a Chamber
pursuant to Rule 53 and Rule 75 of the Rules of Procedure and Evidence;

(C) specifically requested by the Prosecutor following the disclosure
to the defence of the names of witnesses pursuant to Rule 67 of the
Rules of Procedure and Evidence .

Reason 16. Regulation 21 (A) - If one of the situations listed in
Regulation 20 arises, the Registrar may order all telephone calls to and
from that detainee, other than with counsel and diplomatic
representatives, to be recorded or monitored for a period not exceeding
thirty days .

Reason 17. Regulation 33 (A) - Permission shall be granted for...visits
unless the Registrar or the Commanding Officer has reasonable grounds
for believing that the detainee may be attempting to:

(ii) interfere with or intimidate a witness;

(iii) interfere with the administration of justice; or,

(iv) otherwise disturb the maintenance of good order in the
detention unit.

(B) Permission may be denied if the Registrar has reason to believe
that the purpose of the visit is to obtain information which may be
subsequently reported in the media.

Reason 18. Regulation 43 (A) - All visits shall be conducted within the
sight of the staff of the detention unit, save in exceptional
circumstances and at the discretion of the Commanding Officer in
consultation with the Registrar.

(B) Discussions between the detainee and the visitor shall not be
recorded unless :

(i) the Commanding Officer has reasonable grounds for believing
that the detainee may be attempting to:

(b) interfere with or intimidate a witness;

(c) interfere with the administration of justice; or,

(d) otherwise disturb the maintenance of good order in
the detention unit;

(ii) an Order for non-disclosure has been made by a Judge or a
Chamber pursuant to Rule 53 or Rule 75 of the Rules of Procedure and
Evidence.

(iii) specifically requested by the Prosecutor following the
disclosure to the defence of the names of witnesses pursuant to Rule 67
of the Rules of Procedure and Evidence.

Reason 19. Regulation 44

(A) If one of the situations listed in Regulation 43(B) arises, the
Registrar may , at the request of the Commanding Officer or otherwise,
order that all visits to that detainee, other than by counsel and
diplomatic representatives, be recorded for a period not exceeding seven
days.

(B) Renewal of the period, which shall not exceed seven days, shall be
reported to the President.

(C) The detainee and his counsel shall be notified of the request and
of the Registrar's decision within twenty-four hours.

Reason 20. Regulation 47 - Details of all recorded visits shall be
forwarded to the Registrar within twenty-four hours, who shall make a
determination whether to listen to, or have transcribed and read, each
individual recorded visit.

Reason 21. Regulation 49

(A) If the Registrar finds there to have been a breach of the Rules of
Detention , these Regulations or an Order of the Tribunal, the offending
conversation will be transcribed by the Registry and, where necessary,
translated into one of the working languages of the Tribunal.

(B) The Registrar may notify the Prosecutor, the Commanding Officer and,
if deemed necessary, the Dutch authorities of the nature of the breach.

Reason 22. Regulation 50

(A) Any conversation which is transcribed under Regulation 49 shall be
retained by the Registrar.

(B) Such transcriptions shall not be handed over to the Prosecutor as
evidence of contempt of the Tribunal pursuant to Rule 77(C) of the Rules
of Procedure and Evidence without prior notice and disclosure to counsel
for the defence.

URL's for the above are
http://www.un.org/icty/basic/detention/IT98_rev3.htm and
http://www.un.org/icty/basic/detention/IT38_rev8con.htm

Further Reading, and Notes:

1) 'Reichstag Fire Trial, the Sequel'Jared Israel's biting report on
Slobodan Milosevic's first apperance at the Hague 'Tribunal'. Can be
read at
http://emperors-clothes.com/milo/point1.htm

2) BIS: The suffix 'bis' is Old Latin for "repeat" indicating that an
item is second.

3) TER: Similarly, 'ter' is from Old Latin meaning "three times,"
indicating that said item is third.

4) 'Back to the Dark Ages?' by Jared Israel at
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/bac.htm

5) 'Learning from the Inquisition,' by Prof. Kosta Cavoski at
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/cavoski/c-4.htm

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FURTHER READING
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1) "Szamuely's List or 22 Reasons Why I Don't Want to be Imprisoned by
the Hague 'Tribunal'" Can be read at
http://www.icdsm.org/more/szam.htm

2) 'Expert on Psychology of Ethnic Conflict Changes his Mind about
Yugoslavia.' Can be read at
http://www.icdsm.org/more/gw.htm
Francisco Gil-White, a Professor who studies ethnic conflict, has
changed his mind about Yugoslavia. In this brilliant text he shows how
the media and supposed scholars have misrepresented what Slobodan
Milosevic said at Kosovo Field in 1989.

3) Slobodan Milosevic on the illegitimacy of the Hague Tribunal and the
crude Imperialism it is meant to disguise. Can be read at
http://www.icdsm.org/more/aug30.htm

4) 'Why is NATO Decimating the Balkans and Trying to Force Milosevic to
Surrender?'
By Jared Israel and Nico Varkevisser

5) 'Illegal Tribunal - Illegal Indictment,' by Dr. Hans Koechler at
http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/prog2.htm

6) How Madeline Albright Ordered The Hague 'Tribunal' To 'Indict'
Milosevic at
http://www.icdsm.org/more/lovie.htm

7) Official Statements Prove Hague 'Tribunal' Belongs to NATO
by Jared Israel at
http://www.icdsm.org/more/belongs.htm

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SULLE FREQUENTAZIONI "NERE" DI CERTO FEMMINISMO

E' da ben prima della aggressione della NATO sulla Repubblica
Federale di Jugoslavia (primavera 1999) che molti di noi -
jugoslavisti, antimperialisti e/o marxisti - vanno stigmatizzando
la retorica usata da importanti settori del femminismo sulle
questioni balcaniche. Il femminismo storico, adoperando il
"differenzialismo" - ben oltre la "differenza di genere" -
come chiave di interpretazione generica-universale, ed anche
alle vicende gravissime della fase post-Ottantanove inclusa la
disgregazione di molti paesi ex-socialisti, si e' collocato di
fatto all'interno del carrozzone che ha plaudito in particolare
allo squartamento della RFS di Jugoslavia.

Un carrozzone che ha incluso in se' ambienti culturali e
politici di segno molto vario, la cui ideologia accomunante
e' una visione astratta, ingenua ed anti-marxiana dei "diritti".
Questi sono intesi di volta in volta come "diritti delle
minoranze", anche se strumentalmente e per il solo danno di
grandi maggioranze; "diritti dei popoli", anche se contro i
diritti formali dell'individuo o "cittadino" nel senso
affermatosi con la Rivoluzione Francese; "diritti umani", anche
se all'unisono con la propaganda che, in materia, attuano settori
specializzati del Dipartimento di Stato USA, grandi fondazioni
occidentali, ed i "radicali transnazionali" di Marco Pannella ed
Emma Bonino. "Diritti", sempre e comunque a prescindere dalla
analisi concreta della situazione concreta, specialmente politico-
economica, ed a prescindere da ogni criterio di giustizia e
progresso - nel senso di aumento generalizzato del benessere -
sociale collettivo, non solamente "etnico" o "comunitario".

Con il piede di porco del "differenzialismo", e con il concorso
determinante di una disinformazione mirata, si e' affermato
insomma un pensiero decadente ed antimoderno, e si sono tenuti
atteggiamenti utili spesso alle strumentalizzazioni dei peggiori
settori micronazionalisti, reazionari/vandeani, revanscisti,
militaristi, coloniali, imperialisti. Non ci ha percio' sorpreso
il fatto che parte del movimento internazionale delle Donne in Nero
- come raccontato ad esempio da Nadia Cervone nel corso dell'assemblea
"Alleanze di pace contro l'Alleanza Atlantica" (Roma 22/4/2001) -
non fosse sicuro di dover ripudiare i bombardamenti NATO.
A tutt'oggi pero', nonostante l'abominio di quei bombardamenti
NATO e nonostante la conoscenza sempre piu' generalizzata delle
responsabilita' occidentali, della alleanza tra NATO e terrorismo
nei Balcani, e della vera fisionomia politico-ideologica di talune
parti in conflitto, continuiamo ad essere testimoni di prese di
posizione ed iniziative quantomeno discutibili da parte di certa
sinistra, e di femministe in particolare.

Riportiamo di seguito la documentazione di un fatto estremamente
grave avvenuto a Bologna nei giorni scorsi. La "Associazione
Orlando", che e' affine alle Donne in Nero (con le quali
co-promuove una serie di iniziative bolognesi in vista dell'8
marzo) ha organizzato un incontro con donne legate all'UCK ed al
Dipartimento di Stato USA, presentate come "donne di pace".
Si tratta anche di personaggi rilevanti della classe dirigente
sciovinista pan-albanese al potere oggi nella provincia del
Kosovo-Metohija: un regime dai connotati coloniali, imposto e
poi difeso dalle truppe di occupazione della NATO, che si sostenta
anche con i traffici criminali gestiti dall'UCK. Tra i quali -
tanto per rimanere in tema di diritti delle donne - la compravendita
di ragazze da vari paesi, costrette alla prostituzione in Kosovo
come in Italia.


Italo Slavo



>From: Lalla Golfarelli
>To: Contropiani
>Subject: Fwd: invito 26 febbraio 2002
>Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:30:56 +0100 (CET)
>
>Invito
>
>L'Associazione "Orlando" opera in Kossovo dal 1994. Attualmente
>gestisce, per conto dell'Associazione per le Donne dell'Area dei
>Balcani, il progetto "Donne Kossovare per una società libera dalla
>violenza", finanziato da ONU/UNIFEM. In tale contesto di scambi,
>amiche kossovare saranno a Bologna nei prossimi giorni. Per
>capire riflettere e riflettere sul Kossovo attuale, il suo
>"dopoguerra" e transizione, come momento topico del cambiamento
>a livello mondiale vi invitiamo ad un:
>
>INCONTRO PUBBLICO
>Martedì, 26 Febbraio 2002
>ore 18.00
>Sala dello Zodiaco
>Via Zamboni, 13
>
>"Quali spazi per società civile e democrazia
>e quali spazi pubblici di donne in Kossovo"
>
>Presiede: Giancarla Codrignani
>
>Intervengono:
>
>Aferdita Kelmendi, Xheraldina Vula
>Antigone Baxhaku, Ganimete Shaqiri
>Giornaliste di RTV21, radiotelevisione di Pristina,
>che producono, tra l'altro, trasmissioni dedicate a
>donne attive nella società kossovara impegnate dal
>punto di vista politico, sociale e culturale.
>
>Alma Hyseni, Mevlyde Myftari, Myzafere Radoniqi,
>Ibgalle Rexha, Hulja Sabani, Mehrije Suka,
>Professioniste dei "Centers for the Protection of
>Women and Children -
>CPWC": centri diffusi in tutto il territorio kossovaro
>che agiscono contro la violenza alle donne e fungono
>come spazi di aggregazione e riferimento per la società
>civile.
>
>Sevdjie Ahmeti
>Figura nota per il suo impegno per i diritti umani e
>presidente "Centers for the Protection of Women and
>Children - CPWC".
>
>Vjosa Dobruna
>Già ministra nel governo provvisorio e attualmente
>Presidente della TV pubblica kossovara, nonché figura
>attiva nella sfera pubblica e politica del paese.
>
>Lalla Golfarelli e Gabriella Rossetti
>dell'Associazione "Orlando"
>
>
>CENTRO DOCUMENTAZIONE RICERCA E INIZIATIVA DELLE DONNE
>DI BOLOGNA



----- Original Message -----
From: Gennaro Scala
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Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 12:44 PM
Subject: [noocse-bo] All'associazione "Orlando": richiesta di
spiegazioni

L'iniziativa di martedì prossimo da voi promossa e pubblicizzata anche
su questa lista, "Quali spazi per società civile e democrazia e quali
spazi pubblici di donne in Kossovo", prevede la presenza di esponenti
della "società civile" kossovara che è ben difficile definire "donne
di pace".

Tre di queste donne risultano essere state attivamente impegnate dalla
parte degli USA nel conflitto che visto la distruzione della
Jugoslavia da parte della superpotenza statunitense. Da una semplice
ricerca in internet risulta che la dott.essa Vjosa Dobruna, nota
pedagogista, e la giornalista Aferdita Kelmendi hanno richiesto
pubblicamente i bombardamenti della Nato
http://www.usembassy.it/file9904/alia/99041414.htm . La dott.essa
Vjosa Dobruna ha partecipato a una conferenza stampa organizzate dalla
Nato in cui si chiedeva di "far presto" per prevenire ul ulteriore
deterioramente della situazione.
http://www.nato.int/docu/speech/1999/s990430c.htm.

Vjosa Dobruna, Aferdita Kelmendi e Xheraldina Vula risultano tra i
firmatari di un documento "per la transizione" del dopoguerra
http://www.usip.org/oc/events/lansdowne.html. Questo documento stilato
negli Stati Uniti il 13 settembre del 1999 vedeva tra i firmatari
anche l'UCK, le cui pratiche terroristiche e i cui rapporti con la
criminalità organizzata non vengono oramai messi in dubbio da nessuno
(ultimamente sono stati indicati da più parti dei possibili legami
dell'UCK con la rete terroristica Al Qaida di Bin Laden).

L'ampia attività di Vjosa Dobruna, Xheraldina Vula a favore della
Nato, indubbia e in merito alla quale è possibile reperire in internet
una notevole quantità di tracce, ha fatto guadagnare loro le
"congratulazioni" personali e dirette di Madeleine Albright,
http://secretary.state.gov/www/statements/1999/990914.html

la sanguinaria ex-ministra degli esteri statunitense che in una
trasmissione televisiva americana dichiarava la morte di 500.000 mila
bambini iracheni in seguito all'embargo e alle conseguenze della
guerra in prezzo di cui valeva la pena pagare: "This is a very hard
choice, but we think the price is worth it.".


In base a quanto detto CHIEDO:


Per quale motivo un'associazione come "Orlando" che si dichiara
pacifista ha ritenuto di dover invitare delle persone così attivamente
schierate dalla parte della guerra?

Per quale motivo non sono state invitate donne serbe o donne rom, le
quali pure fanno parte della "società civile" kossovara e sono state
anch'esse vittime di violenza?


Gennaro Scala

--- End forwarded message -------------------



FONTI

(a cura di G. Scala, dalle liste noocse-bo e aa-forum)


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Aferdita Kelmendi, Xheraldina Vula, Vjosa Dobruna

The Lansdowne Declaration

Stilata negli Usa e firmata anche dall'UCK

http://www.usip.org/oc/events/lansdowne.html

_____________________________________________

Vjosa Dobruna

http://www.naac.org/nl/summer99.html
Berger, Dole at Washington Dinner

NAAC held a fundraising dinner in Washington, DC, to
support the Kosova Relief Fund. Over 300 people
attended the dinner, including representatives from
the highest levels of government.
Former presidential candidate Bob Dole was honored for
his efforts to help the cause of Kosova, as was
Congressman Eliot Engel and Prishtina activist, Dr.
Vjosa Dobruna. Dole, who turned 76 that evening,
celebrated his birthday at the dinner.
ABC News anchor Cokie Roberts was the master of
ceremonies for the evening.
United States National Security Advisor, Samuel
Berger, was the keynote speaker. Berger expressed the
Administration?s satisfaction with the outcome of the
war in Kosova. He also called upon Albanians to resist
urges to seek revenge, arguing that such actions would
diminish support for their cause.
Berger?s speech was preceded by a Kosova Relief Fund
video presentation of its efforts to help the
refugees.

Questa pagina porta il logo del genova social forum
http://www.gfbv.it/2c-stampa/01-2/010811it.html
Sono venute a Bolzano nel luglio scorso le
destinatarie del premio Langer 2000, la kosovara Vjosa
Dobruna e la jugoslava Natasa Kandic. Ci hanno portato
testimonianze dirette e drammatiche di ciò che stava
succedendo e che l'intervento internazionale ha
fermato. Vjosa è incaricata ora dall'ONU per la
ricostruzione della convivenza e Natasa è tra le più
ferme accusatrici di Milosevic davanti al tribunale
internazionale dell'Aia, che una parte della sinistra
considera semplicemente un braccio armato degli Stati
Uniti.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/ops/kosovo_n99-04-30.htm

NATO HQ Press Conference with three Albanian leaders
Dr Vjosa Dobruna, Mr Blerim Schala and Mr Skelzen

Maliqi 30 Apr. 1999 -- There are some 500 - 700,000
internally displaced persons in Kosovo, but some
265,000 of these displaced persons were already living
in the bushes, in the mountains, in Kosovo prior to
the first NATO airstrike, so their number is just
bigger because the ethnic cleansing started to develop
even in the urban areas. The people that are in
Kosovo, they are in badly need for food, for medical
care and for security. What NATO, what decision it is
going to make, there is nothing that I can say about
that. I wish that they will do very fast because if
NATO is doing the strikes to prevent further
deterioration of the situation in Kosovo, so the
further deterioration is counted and the loss of lives
of Kosovars that are inside, and there are a big, big
number of them. NATO and the Western Alliance must try
to help the internally-displaced persons inside Kosovo
because if we do not do something in the meantime we
will face the starvation of thousands of Albanians and
we will also have a humanitarian catastrophe inside
Kosovo.

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Le congratulazioni della Albright:

"I want to congratulate Vjosa Dobruna, Xheraldina Vula ..."
http://secretary.state.gov/www/statements/1999/990914.html

"When asked on US television if she thought that the death of half a
million Iraqi children was a price worth paying, Albright replied:
"This is a very hard choice, but we think the price is worth it." --
John Pilger, "Squeezed to Death" Guardian, March 4 2000

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Un tribunale popolare sulle frequenze della BBC
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/talking_point/newsid_18150001181587.stm

BBC-news on line (in rete) e BBC-talking point on air (radiofonica)
hanno organizzato recentemente un dibattito aperto al pubblico
sul tema: TPI, giustizia e processo contro S. Milosevic.

Il dibattito è ormai chiuso, ma sul sito dell'agenzia britanica è
tuttora esposta una ricca selezione di opinioni espresse in
quell'occasione da persone di differenti parti del pianeta terra.
Io le ho lette tutte e debbo dire che malgrado tutta la propaganda,
la Nato evidentemente ha tutto da temere da un tribunale popolare.

Vi propongo solo due interventi, il primo perche' viene da un
kosovaro, ma genuino, reale, e non di cartapesta mediatica, e l'altro
da un ceceno.

O. Juric



VIA L' UCK E CHE LA VITA TORNI COME ERA PRIMA

"Tutta la mia vita l'ho passata in Kosovo. Le cose, ai tempi di
Milosevic, non erano ideali, soprattutto per noi albanesi.
Ma quando la Nato comincio' coi suoi bombardamenti
io persi molti dei familiari e degli amici. Tutto quello che
desidero è che la vita torni come era prima e che l' Uçk
se ne vada via.
L' Occidente dovrebbe rifletere prima di agire. Qui si
tratta di migliaia di vite umane perse."

Mesut S. - Kosovo



GRAZIE NATO PER AVERNE UCCISI A MIGLIAIA IN KOSOVO

"Io vorrei ringraziare la Nato per tutto quello che ha fatto in
Kosovo. Due mesi dopo che voi avete terminato coll'uccidere decine
di migliaia di persone, la Russia venne nel mio paese. Loro
ne uccidono a centinaia di migliaia. Il presidente Putin
gode di grandissima popolarità nel suo paese, come T. Blair
e Clinton nei loro".

Samdul K, Chechenya


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Narodni sud na talasima BBC
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/talking_point/newsid_18150001181587.stm

Na radio talasima i u elektro-mrezi BBC-a (news on line i BBC-talking
point on air) nedavno je zavrsena debata o Haskom tribunalu, pravdi i
sudjenju S. Milosevicu u koju su i slusaoci mogli da se ukljuce.
Trenutno u gornjem izlogu mozete prelistati poduzi izbor iz ovih
priloga obicnih gradjana. Onome ko nadje vremena da ih sve procita,
neminovno ce se nametnuti zakljucak da, uprkos svekolikoj propagandi,
Nato pakt s razlogom treba da se plasi suda po volji naroda.
Ja sam izdvojila samo dva, prvi, jer odrazava misljenje Albanca sa
Kosova, realnog Albanca a ne kavog smo uobicajili da srecemo u
medijima koji lazu. Drugi je iz Cecenije.
Obe poruke su vrlo upecatljive.

Sa engleskog na bosnjacki prevela (ovo je sala na racun Haskog
krimic suda, ali taj jezik predaju i na Sorboni, kao i crnogorski)

O. Juric


NEKA ODE UCK I DA OPET ZIVIMO KAO NEKAD

"Na Kosovu mi je ceo zivot protekao. Nije bilo idealno u
Milosevicevo vreme, narocito ne za nas Albance, ali kada je Nato poceo
sa
bombardovanjem, stradalo je mnogo moje rodbine i prijatelja. Jedino sto
zelim to je da zivim kako smo pre ziveli i da UCK ode.
Zapad bi trebalo dobro da razmisli pre nego sto stupi u akciju.
Radi se o hiljadama ljudskih zivota

Mesut S. Kosovo


HVALA NATO NA DESETINAMA HILJADA UBIJENIH NA KOSOVU

"Ja zelim da zahvalim Nato-paktu za sve sto je ucinio na Kosovu.
Dva meseca nakon sto je prestao sa ubijanjem na destine hiljada
stanovnika Kosova, Rusija je usla u moju zemlju. Oni ubijaju na
stotine hiljada. A predsednik Putin je veoma popularan u svojoj
zemlji kao sto su Bler i Klinton popularni u svojim."

Samdul K. Cecenija

INTERVIEW WITH VLADIMIR KRSLJANIN, INTERNATIONAL
SECRETARY OF THE SOCIALIST PARTY OF SERBIA (SPS),
published on 2 March in the Internet addition of Halo
Noviny (Czech Republic).

Interviewer Jan Hrobar. Kindly translated from the
Czech by Colin Meade.

Q: You were recently in The Hague. Did you personally
meet President Milosevic?

Vladimir Krsljanin: Unfortunately not this time. The
'tribunal' restricts Milosevic, who is the President
of our party, to only one meeting a month, lasting a
few hours, with members of the party leadership. One
such took place about a month ago. I was present at
the opening of the 'trial' as a visitor. We sat in the
gallery behind a glass screen and could only wave to
him.

Q: What impression did Milosevic make on you?

V.K. He made an absolutely superior impression not
only on me, but perhaps on all those present. There
were about a thousand journalists there from the whole
world. I think we could agree on this assessment. This
impression was certainly strengthened by the fact that
Milosevic stood alone before the 'tribunal' which is a
huge machine in the service of NATO, but with
admirable fearlessness he put forward his defence and
defeated everything which the staff of NATO experts,
employing immense technical resources, had built up
over a period of months. I think that it is impossible
to exaggerate Milosevic's achievement.

Q: Milosevic has usually addressed the 'court' in
English. What language did he use in his defence
speech?

V.K.: Serbo-Croatian. He had spoken English in dealing
with some procedural issues at the start of the
process but gave up doing so and for the past few
months has only used Serbo-Croatian before the
'tribunal'. He continues to do so, and it couldn't be
otherwise because the main Serbian TV channel is
broadcasting direct from the 'courtroom' and Milosevic
is making full use of this to address the whole
nation.

Q: How did his speech go down in Belgrade?

V.K.: Let me give you some figures, which speak louder
than any words. At present, according to our polls,
77% of the citizens of the FRY are behind Milosevic.
They feel he is defending not only himself but the
whole nation, which has been denigrated and humiliated
in The Hague. 67% believe that Milosevic will win and
together with him truth and justice, that the Serbian
nation will be vindicated before the world.

Q: How long did Milosevic speak?

V.K.: For a total of eleven hours over three days. He
started speaking at the end of the second day (13
February), but only for about half an hour before the
'court' rose. Three more days were given over to
Milosevic's defence, but on two of those days, the
'court' only sat in the morning for three hours. An
hour or so of that time was taken up with the showing
of videos displaying crimes committed by NATO in the
aggression against the FRY.

Q: The foreign media used superlatives in describing
Milosevic's performance. Did you expect him to be so
brilliant?

V.K.: We expected him to speak very effectively. We
had seen how strongly he performed at his previous
appearances before the 'tribunal', the great weight of
each argument he used to show that the 'tribunal' is
an illegal manipulated instrument in the service of
NATO and of US policy in particular.

I have to say that Milosevic's cross-examination
surprised both his friends and his enemies. Parts of
his appearance were seen by an estimated billion
people. It is especially important that it left a
strong impression. The prevailing view now is that
Milosevic is a politician without equal not only in
Serbia but also the Balkans, that he is a political
figure of international stature. Everyone could
satisfy themselves of this.

Q: As a result of this impression, people have begun
to speculate about who helped Milosevic to prepare
such a convincing presentation. What do you think
about this?

V.K.: I'm being asked this question a lot at press
conferences. I think that two factors are working
together here. The force of Milosevic's personality,
his great intellectual powers, and the fact that he is
not alone, that behind him stands the whole of our
party, all genuine patriots and practically the whole
nation, and many friends around the world. He feels
this support and the responsibility to destroy with
his words every lie.

Q: In his political career, he showed himself to be a
capable economist and financier who succeeded in
taming runaway inflation. Did he also study law?

V.K.: Yes, he studied in Belgrade and was an
outstanding student. It is notable that the majority
of professors from his faculty are supporting him.
About 30 formed a group opposing the 'tribunal'. They
show its violation of legal norms and therefore the
illegality of the 'trial.' Many people from all walks
of life want to support President Milosevic and are
offering to testify to prove he is innocent and must
be released.

Q: Some observers are surprised at the fact that
Milosevic, even after long imprisonment, seems in
excellent physical and mental condition?.

V.K.: Yes, it's remarkable. When I met him about a
month ago, I was much impressed by his vitality. All
the more so because he is held in isolation in
conditions which destroy people's strength. In a tiny
cell with minimal facilities, exposed to constant
physical and also psychological pressure. The
awareness that he is struggling for justice for his
people gives him the boundless moral strength to
resist such destructive conditions?
You ask how I see the future of the 'trial'. I'm
convinced that his jailers and their NATO paymasters
are also preoccupied with these matters and are coming
to the conclusion that the way to beat him is to break
him physically. He has destroyed the prepared scenario
for the 'trial', exposed the weakness of their
fabricated arguments and the lies of their witnesses;
he has dazzled the public and he has gained the
backing of fair-minded people around the world. In the
predictions being made by the Hague 'tribunal' that
the 'trial' may last two years or even longer, I see
an attempt, through endless delays, to wear him down.
No one is made of iron; intolerable conditions can
destroy anyone. Milosevic is waging a battle in which
he deserves the support of all who believe in
democracy and care about truth and justice. Demand his
release so that he can defend himself in freedom! The
International Committee to Defend Slobodan Milosevic
is supporting this demand in the context of the
broader demand that he be freed unconditionally and
the Tribunal be abolished. His jailers know that other
than physical abuse, they have no way to defeat him.
Milosevic's courage requires not only recognition and
admiration, but defence and support from all decent
people.

Posted in Czech at :
http://www.halonoviny.cz/encoding/toASCII/index.php?id=16090

Copyright "Halo Noviny"


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Subject: Milosevic scored 1:0 against NATO in the Hague
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 02:49:16 -0600
From: camp@...
Organization: Antiimperialist Camp News

The corporate media does not know how to cope with
Milosevic?s accuse against NATO. In order to avoid a
collapse of the amalgam of lies, which have been
proven to be fakes by the ex president?s arguments,
these very same lies are being once again inflated
and endlessly repeated, for example:

The picture from Trnopolje, which suggests a Serbian
concentration camp by showing an emaciated man
behind a barbwire is displayed again and again on
all the TV screens of the world - despite the fact
that the photograph was taken from inside the fence.
A fact which actually should be known to the
journalists.

The alleged massacre of Racak, which was used as the
pretext to legitimate the NATO attack, has been
refuted by both Dr. Helena Ranta, head of the
forensic commission of OSCE, as well as of the
German General Heinz Loquai of the OSCE monitoring
mission in Kosovo. They proved the event to be a
skirmish between UCK and Yugoslav troops.

Milosevic continues to be presented as a
bloodthirsty monster to whose arguments one should
not listen (arguments which are often distorted or
not even reported).

Even if the front of the corporate media remains
firm, however, in front of all those who retain a
trace of critical thinking Milosevic succeeded in
defying NATO?s attempt to grant itself absolution by
a political inquisition process. He was even able to
put forward heavy charges against NATO:

· The tribunal is illegitimate as it was set
up by the aggressor states and furthermore violates
the UN statutes. The criminals pose as judges.
· The secessions instigated by the West under
the guise of the right to ?self-determination? has
led and was intended to lead towards a civil war as
the Yugoslav nationalities used to live completely
intermingled.
· The Serb had been denied the very same right
to self-determination in Croatia and Bosnia.
· Yugoslavia was the only conceivable peaceful
co-existence and self-determination of the different
nationalities.
· The manifold aggression against Yugoslavia
served the geo-strategic interest of the West.
Whoever dares to defy the tyranny of the ?New World
Order? and to insist on sovereignty and
self-determination ought to be crushed by all means.

In the Hague the entire Yugoslav and Serb people are
being accused of resistance against neo-colonialism.
In defying these lies Milosevic proved to be a
steadfast advocate of his people restoring historic
truth about the Western imperialist aggression.

However, we will not forget his grave political
mistakes during his ten years defence against the
aggression. Unfortunately, he simply repeated these
mistakes in his defence: While Yugoslavia could have
easily crushed the pro-imperialist forces in Bosnia
and Croatia he chose to compromise with imperialism
in Dayton in 1995 betraying the democratic and
anti-fascist uprising of the local Serbs. Now he is
lamenting that imperialism is not rewarding this
sell-out. He opportunistically equated the Serbian
struggle against pro-imperialist Albanian
secessionism with the US war on ?terror? while
everybody knows that NATO?s attack on Yugoslavia was
an integral part of this very war, which is nothing
else than the US? attempt to retain global hegemony
by brute military force. With no single word he
asked his people for excuse for the widespread
corruption (the fact that under Djindjic-Kostunica
corruption has been growing to an unprecedented
extent does not alter this necessity) while!
he defended his wife and son who are regarded as
the worst examples of the red mafia. And last but
not least he did not mention the revolutionary
traditions of Yugoslavia embodied by the Partisan
movement.

Disband the political inquisition of the Hague!
Free Slobodan Milosevic and all other political
prisoners!
Put NATO to popular trial!



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