Informazione
CORTOCIRCUITO NAZISTA-SIONISTA
Dopo avere applaudito per anni di fronte allo squartamento della
Jugoslavia, in particolare sostenendo la secessione della Bosnia-
Erzegovina e facendo propaganda per il partito revanscista di
Izetbegovic, certi influenti intellettuali ebrei - ad incominciare da
Bernard Henry-Levi - potrebbero di grazia spiegarci oggi le cause,
recenti e non, dell'antisemitismo dei "Giovani Musulmani"?
Oppure - a scelta - potrebbero spiegarci la questione palestinese?
(I. Slavo)
NOTA: Lo stesso Izetbegovic, da giovane, durante la Seconda Guerra
Mondiale fece parte dell'organizzazione filo-nazista dei "Giovani
Musulmani".
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"Vecernji List", Zagabria, 4.9.2001
Na nogometnoj utakmici BiH-Izrael izljevi fasizma i antisemitizma
SIEG HEIL ! NA STADIONU KOSEVO
MOSTAR - Vec prije kvalifikacijske utakmice izmedu BiH i Izraela na
Kosevu za odlazak na Svjetsko nogometno prvenstvo u Japan i Koreju,
udruga Mladi muslimani iz Sarajeva oglasila se proglasom navijacima
za "pojacano navijanje". U proglasu je dano i objasnjenje za taj poziv.
Suparnik "ljiljanima" bila je "reprezentacija zemlje koja cini zlocine
i genocid nad Palestincima, progoni ih ubijajuci zene i djecu".
Poziv i dogadjaji na utakmici nisu u sarajevskim medijima dobili osobit
prostor, niti su popraceni kao neki drugi dogadjaji u kojima su uoceni
rasizam i fasisticke poruke. Gledatelji TV prijenosa utakmice jedva su
od silnih zvizduka s tribina mogli razaznati koji ton izrealske himne.
Jedna od provokacija izraelskim nogometasima i malabrojnim navijacima
bio je fasisticki poklic "Sieg heil !", a unatoc strogoj kontroli, na
stadion su unesene i palestinske zastave. Bilo je i zastava sa dva
lica, sa jedne strane bosanskohercegovacka, sa druge palestinska.
Priopcenjem za javnost oglasio se ministar kulture Sarajevske zupanije
Gradimir Gojer, koji je sve sto se dogadjalo na sarajevskoj utakmici
ostro osudio. No, pomalo upada u oci da su izostale osude ili barem
komentari drugih sportskih i politickih duznosnika. (M. Knezovic)
Alla partita di calcio tra Bosnia-Erzegovina ed Israele espressioni di
fascismo ed antisemitismo
SIEG HEIL! ALLO STADIO KOSEVO [di Sarajevo]
MOSTAR - Gia’ prima della partita di qualificazione tra la B-E ed
Israele a Kosevo, valida per il campionato mondiale in Giappone e
Corea, l’associazione dei Giovani Musulmani di Sarajevo ha incitato i
tifosi con una dichiarazione "per un tifo piu’ concreto". Nella
dichiarazione e’ stato chiarito anche il perche’ di questo invito.
Avversario dei "gigli" [dal simbolo della bandiera della B-E di
Izetbegovic] era la rappresentativa del "paese che effettua crimini e
genocidio a danno dei palestinesi, li scaccia ed uccide donne e
bambini".
L’invito e gli avvenimenti della partita non hanno trovato uno spazio
particolare sui media, e non sono stati nemmeno trattati come gli altri
avvenimenti in cui si evince un messaggio razzista e fascista. Gli
spettatori della trasmissione televisiva della partita a malapena
hanno potuto sentire qualche nota dell’inno nazionale di Israele a
causa dei tanti fischi partiti dalle tribune. Una delle provocazioni
verso i calciatori israeliani ed il loro piccolo numero di sostenitori
e’ stato il grido fascista di "Sieg Heil !", e malgrado il severo
controllo nello stadio sono state portate bandiere palestinesi. C’erano
anche delle bandiere a due facce, da una parte bosniaco-erzegovese e
dall’altra parte palestinese. Rivolgendosi all’opinione pubblica, il
Ministro della Cultura del Cantone di Sarajevo Gradimir Gojer ha
criticato duramente tutto quanto e’ successo nel corso della partita a
Sarajevo. Eppure salta agli occhi il fatto che siamo mancate condanne o
almeno commenti da parte di altri esponenti della politica e dello
sport. (M.K.)
Dopo avere applaudito per anni di fronte allo squartamento della
Jugoslavia, in particolare sostenendo la secessione della Bosnia-
Erzegovina e facendo propaganda per il partito revanscista di
Izetbegovic, certi influenti intellettuali ebrei - ad incominciare da
Bernard Henry-Levi - potrebbero di grazia spiegarci oggi le cause,
recenti e non, dell'antisemitismo dei "Giovani Musulmani"?
Oppure - a scelta - potrebbero spiegarci la questione palestinese?
(I. Slavo)
NOTA: Lo stesso Izetbegovic, da giovane, durante la Seconda Guerra
Mondiale fece parte dell'organizzazione filo-nazista dei "Giovani
Musulmani".
---
"Vecernji List", Zagabria, 4.9.2001
Na nogometnoj utakmici BiH-Izrael izljevi fasizma i antisemitizma
SIEG HEIL ! NA STADIONU KOSEVO
MOSTAR - Vec prije kvalifikacijske utakmice izmedu BiH i Izraela na
Kosevu za odlazak na Svjetsko nogometno prvenstvo u Japan i Koreju,
udruga Mladi muslimani iz Sarajeva oglasila se proglasom navijacima
za "pojacano navijanje". U proglasu je dano i objasnjenje za taj poziv.
Suparnik "ljiljanima" bila je "reprezentacija zemlje koja cini zlocine
i genocid nad Palestincima, progoni ih ubijajuci zene i djecu".
Poziv i dogadjaji na utakmici nisu u sarajevskim medijima dobili osobit
prostor, niti su popraceni kao neki drugi dogadjaji u kojima su uoceni
rasizam i fasisticke poruke. Gledatelji TV prijenosa utakmice jedva su
od silnih zvizduka s tribina mogli razaznati koji ton izrealske himne.
Jedna od provokacija izraelskim nogometasima i malabrojnim navijacima
bio je fasisticki poklic "Sieg heil !", a unatoc strogoj kontroli, na
stadion su unesene i palestinske zastave. Bilo je i zastava sa dva
lica, sa jedne strane bosanskohercegovacka, sa druge palestinska.
Priopcenjem za javnost oglasio se ministar kulture Sarajevske zupanije
Gradimir Gojer, koji je sve sto se dogadjalo na sarajevskoj utakmici
ostro osudio. No, pomalo upada u oci da su izostale osude ili barem
komentari drugih sportskih i politickih duznosnika. (M. Knezovic)
Alla partita di calcio tra Bosnia-Erzegovina ed Israele espressioni di
fascismo ed antisemitismo
SIEG HEIL! ALLO STADIO KOSEVO [di Sarajevo]
MOSTAR - Gia’ prima della partita di qualificazione tra la B-E ed
Israele a Kosevo, valida per il campionato mondiale in Giappone e
Corea, l’associazione dei Giovani Musulmani di Sarajevo ha incitato i
tifosi con una dichiarazione "per un tifo piu’ concreto". Nella
dichiarazione e’ stato chiarito anche il perche’ di questo invito.
Avversario dei "gigli" [dal simbolo della bandiera della B-E di
Izetbegovic] era la rappresentativa del "paese che effettua crimini e
genocidio a danno dei palestinesi, li scaccia ed uccide donne e
bambini".
L’invito e gli avvenimenti della partita non hanno trovato uno spazio
particolare sui media, e non sono stati nemmeno trattati come gli altri
avvenimenti in cui si evince un messaggio razzista e fascista. Gli
spettatori della trasmissione televisiva della partita a malapena
hanno potuto sentire qualche nota dell’inno nazionale di Israele a
causa dei tanti fischi partiti dalle tribune. Una delle provocazioni
verso i calciatori israeliani ed il loro piccolo numero di sostenitori
e’ stato il grido fascista di "Sieg Heil !", e malgrado il severo
controllo nello stadio sono state portate bandiere palestinesi. C’erano
anche delle bandiere a due facce, da una parte bosniaco-erzegovese e
dall’altra parte palestinese. Rivolgendosi all’opinione pubblica, il
Ministro della Cultura del Cantone di Sarajevo Gradimir Gojer ha
criticato duramente tutto quanto e’ successo nel corso della partita a
Sarajevo. Eppure salta agli occhi il fatto che siamo mancate condanne o
almeno commenti da parte di altri esponenti della politica e dello
sport. (M.K.)
http://www.nationalpost.com/commentary/
story.html?f=/stories/20011113/783573.html
November 13, 2001
War on terrorism skipped the KLA, by James Bissett
National Post, CANADA
U.S. President George W. Bush has made it clear the war against
terrorists will be unremitting and relentless. Even those countries
affording shelter to terrorists will not be spared. These words come
too late for the Serbs, Gypsies, Jews, Turks and other non-Albanians
who have been driven from their ancestral homes in Kosovo by the
terrorist Kosovo Liberation Army. It is too late as well for Macedonia,
which has been forced by the United States, the European Union and NATO
to yield to all the demands of the Albanian terrorists in that country.
This double standard and lack of consistency when dealing with
terrorists calls into question the policies the United States and its
NATO allies followed in the Balkans. It also underlines the necessity
for the United States and its allies to clean up their act if they wish
to retain credibility in the war against terrorism.
The bombing of Yugoslavia in the spring of 1999 allegedly to stop ethnic
cleansing and prevent the Balkans from becoming once again the powder
keg of Europe has backfired. Kosovo has become exclusively an Albanian
province with the exception of a few stalwart Serbians in the Mitrovica
area who live surrounded by barbed wire and are threatened daily with
murder and mayhem by their Albanian neighbours. The Balkans, since the
end of the bombing, have been in constant turmoil caused by the KLA
terrorist activities.
NATO allowed the KLA, which under the terms of United Nations Resolution
1244 was to be disarmed after the end of the bombing, to keep its
weapons. The KLA was renamed the Kosovo Protection Force and been given
the task of maintaining peace and security in Kosovo. How well it has
been able to carry out this task is summed up in a report dated Feb.
26, 2001, to the Secretary-General of the United Nations, Kofi Annan,
which accuses the protection corps of widespread acts of murder,
torture and extortion.
That condemnation should not have come as a surprise. As early as 1998,
the U.S. State Department listed the KLA as a terrorist organization
financing its operations with money from the international heroin trade
and funds supplied from Islamic countries and individuals, including
Osama bin Laden.
This did not stop the United States from arming and training KLA members
in Albania and in the summer of 1998 sending them back into Kosovo to
assassinate Serbian mayors, ambush Serbian policemen and intimidate
hesitant Kosovo Albanians. The aim was to destabilize Kosovo and
overthrow Serbian strongman Slobodan Milosevic.
Bin Laden and radical Muslim groups have been deeply involved in the
Balkans since the civil wars in Bosnia from 1992 to 1995. Despite a UN
arms embargo and with the knowledge and support of the United States,
arms, ammunition and thousands of Mujahideen fighters were smuggled
into Bosnia to help the Muslims. Many remain in Bosnia today and are
recognized as a serious threat to Western forces there. The Bosnian
government is said to have presented bin Laden with a Bosnian passport
in recognition of his contribution to their cause. He and his al-Qaeda
network were also active in Kosovo, and KLA members trained in his
camps in Afghanistan and Albania.
Emboldened by the knowledge it could achieve its political objectives by
terror, the KLA moved into southern Serbia and initiated, under the eyes
of 40,000 NATO troops, a campaign of terror against the Serbian
population.
Not until NATO permitted the new democratic government of Serbia to
send the Serb army back into the area was the KLA routed and sent back
across the border into Kosovo.
Macedonia, with its large Albanian minority, was the KLA's next target.
In February, its forces moved against this small and newly independent
democracy. The familiar pattern of murder, ambush and intimidation
followed. Unlike Serbia, which still possessed a powerful and well-
equipped army, Macedonia had little with which to defend itself against
the well equipped and battle-hardened KLA fighters. The promises of
assistance made by former U.S. president Bill Clinton in return for
Macedonia's co-operation during the Yugoslav bombing were forgotten.
Nevertheless, when the fighting started, it appeared NATO and the
European Union might help Macedonia resist the terrorist threat. In
March, Lord Robertson, the Secretary-General of NATO, condemned the KLA
terror campaign and described them as "murderous thugs." He supported
the Macedonian government's refusal to negotiate with the terrorists.
Obviously, Lord Robertson was not aware the United States had other
ideas about which side to support in Macedonia.
The message was made clear in May, when U.S. diplomat Robert Fenwick,
ostensibly the head of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in
Europe, in Macedonia, met secretly in Prizren, Kosovo, with the leaders
of the Albanian political parties and KLA representatives. Macedonian
officials were not invited. It was clear the United States was backing
the Albanian terrorist cause. This was confirmed a month later, when a
force of 400 KLA fighters was surrounded in the town of Aracinovo near
the capital, Skopje.
As Macedonian security forces moved in, they were halted on NATO
orders. U.S. army buses from Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo arrived to remove
all the heavily armed terrorists to a safer area of Macedonia. German
reporters later revealed that 17 U.S. military advisors were
accompanying the KLA terrorists in Aracinovo.
In August, fearing the Macedonian forces might be able to defeat the
KLA, U.S. Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice flew to Kiev and ordered the
Ukrainian government to stop sending further military equipment to
Macedonia.
Since Ukraine was the only country supplying Macedonia with military
assistance, the Macedonians realized continued resistance against the
KLA terrorists, the EU and NATO was futile. Macedonia was forced to
concede defeat and obliged to accept all the terrorist demands. When
the peace treaty was signed, Lord Robertson proclaimed, "This day marks
the entry of Macedonia into modern, mainstream Europe ... a very proud
day for their country."
James Bissett is a former Canadian ambassador to Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
and Albania, 1990-1992.
Letters tothe editor:
rmackinnon@...
story.html?f=/stories/20011113/783573.html
November 13, 2001
War on terrorism skipped the KLA, by James Bissett
National Post, CANADA
U.S. President George W. Bush has made it clear the war against
terrorists will be unremitting and relentless. Even those countries
affording shelter to terrorists will not be spared. These words come
too late for the Serbs, Gypsies, Jews, Turks and other non-Albanians
who have been driven from their ancestral homes in Kosovo by the
terrorist Kosovo Liberation Army. It is too late as well for Macedonia,
which has been forced by the United States, the European Union and NATO
to yield to all the demands of the Albanian terrorists in that country.
This double standard and lack of consistency when dealing with
terrorists calls into question the policies the United States and its
NATO allies followed in the Balkans. It also underlines the necessity
for the United States and its allies to clean up their act if they wish
to retain credibility in the war against terrorism.
The bombing of Yugoslavia in the spring of 1999 allegedly to stop ethnic
cleansing and prevent the Balkans from becoming once again the powder
keg of Europe has backfired. Kosovo has become exclusively an Albanian
province with the exception of a few stalwart Serbians in the Mitrovica
area who live surrounded by barbed wire and are threatened daily with
murder and mayhem by their Albanian neighbours. The Balkans, since the
end of the bombing, have been in constant turmoil caused by the KLA
terrorist activities.
NATO allowed the KLA, which under the terms of United Nations Resolution
1244 was to be disarmed after the end of the bombing, to keep its
weapons. The KLA was renamed the Kosovo Protection Force and been given
the task of maintaining peace and security in Kosovo. How well it has
been able to carry out this task is summed up in a report dated Feb.
26, 2001, to the Secretary-General of the United Nations, Kofi Annan,
which accuses the protection corps of widespread acts of murder,
torture and extortion.
That condemnation should not have come as a surprise. As early as 1998,
the U.S. State Department listed the KLA as a terrorist organization
financing its operations with money from the international heroin trade
and funds supplied from Islamic countries and individuals, including
Osama bin Laden.
This did not stop the United States from arming and training KLA members
in Albania and in the summer of 1998 sending them back into Kosovo to
assassinate Serbian mayors, ambush Serbian policemen and intimidate
hesitant Kosovo Albanians. The aim was to destabilize Kosovo and
overthrow Serbian strongman Slobodan Milosevic.
Bin Laden and radical Muslim groups have been deeply involved in the
Balkans since the civil wars in Bosnia from 1992 to 1995. Despite a UN
arms embargo and with the knowledge and support of the United States,
arms, ammunition and thousands of Mujahideen fighters were smuggled
into Bosnia to help the Muslims. Many remain in Bosnia today and are
recognized as a serious threat to Western forces there. The Bosnian
government is said to have presented bin Laden with a Bosnian passport
in recognition of his contribution to their cause. He and his al-Qaeda
network were also active in Kosovo, and KLA members trained in his
camps in Afghanistan and Albania.
Emboldened by the knowledge it could achieve its political objectives by
terror, the KLA moved into southern Serbia and initiated, under the eyes
of 40,000 NATO troops, a campaign of terror against the Serbian
population.
Not until NATO permitted the new democratic government of Serbia to
send the Serb army back into the area was the KLA routed and sent back
across the border into Kosovo.
Macedonia, with its large Albanian minority, was the KLA's next target.
In February, its forces moved against this small and newly independent
democracy. The familiar pattern of murder, ambush and intimidation
followed. Unlike Serbia, which still possessed a powerful and well-
equipped army, Macedonia had little with which to defend itself against
the well equipped and battle-hardened KLA fighters. The promises of
assistance made by former U.S. president Bill Clinton in return for
Macedonia's co-operation during the Yugoslav bombing were forgotten.
Nevertheless, when the fighting started, it appeared NATO and the
European Union might help Macedonia resist the terrorist threat. In
March, Lord Robertson, the Secretary-General of NATO, condemned the KLA
terror campaign and described them as "murderous thugs." He supported
the Macedonian government's refusal to negotiate with the terrorists.
Obviously, Lord Robertson was not aware the United States had other
ideas about which side to support in Macedonia.
The message was made clear in May, when U.S. diplomat Robert Fenwick,
ostensibly the head of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in
Europe, in Macedonia, met secretly in Prizren, Kosovo, with the leaders
of the Albanian political parties and KLA representatives. Macedonian
officials were not invited. It was clear the United States was backing
the Albanian terrorist cause. This was confirmed a month later, when a
force of 400 KLA fighters was surrounded in the town of Aracinovo near
the capital, Skopje.
As Macedonian security forces moved in, they were halted on NATO
orders. U.S. army buses from Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo arrived to remove
all the heavily armed terrorists to a safer area of Macedonia. German
reporters later revealed that 17 U.S. military advisors were
accompanying the KLA terrorists in Aracinovo.
In August, fearing the Macedonian forces might be able to defeat the
KLA, U.S. Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice flew to Kiev and ordered the
Ukrainian government to stop sending further military equipment to
Macedonia.
Since Ukraine was the only country supplying Macedonia with military
assistance, the Macedonians realized continued resistance against the
KLA terrorists, the EU and NATO was futile. Macedonia was forced to
concede defeat and obliged to accept all the terrorist demands. When
the peace treaty was signed, Lord Robertson proclaimed, "This day marks
the entry of Macedonia into modern, mainstream Europe ... a very proud
day for their country."
James Bissett is a former Canadian ambassador to Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
and Albania, 1990-1992.
Letters tothe editor:
rmackinnon@...
Von: Tina Purnat [mailto:Tina.Purnat@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 12. November 2001 17:40
An: Tina Purnat
Betreff: NATO desinformation and anti-democratic campaign in Slovenia
from: Blaz Babic, blaz.babic@...
DELO, 12th November, 2001, pg. 4
"We expect from Slovenia to be useful for NATO"
an interview with Lord Robertson, Secretary General of NATO
Delo: I suppose that You as a Secretary General of the Alliance wish
to see a broad public support in the applicant countries. Does it seem
to You, that a referendum would be a proper method to ratify the plans
of the governments?
Lord Robertson: No. I think that a referendum is a very unflexible
method and basically unnecessary. However the public should agree, but
it needs to be uder constant watch and be informed. In Slovenia you
have an Association Atlantic Council, which has hosted Association
Atlantic Treaty last month, I know they're members of that organisation
and they support the couse. Mild public opinion in support of
membership merely means that NATO will be facing troubles. That's why
we expect from the governments of candidate countries that they'll use
all energy availabe, to gain public support and
explain to it's people how important NATO and it's activities are.
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Additional commentary:
Today L Robertson is visiting Slovenia. This was not announced in
advance since during his last visit he was welcomed by noisy protesters.
Today Governmental Office of Information is launching a 20.000 DEM worth
internet page:
web page: nato.gov.si
To give You a better insight in the details of slovenian govern-mental
PR, I have translated some FAQ on that site
1
Q: Will NATO if Slovenia becomes a member state establish military
bases or deploy nuclear weapons?
A: NATO doesn't plan to permanently station its forces on the teritory
of new memberstates therefore not also on the Slovenian teritory. In
three new memberstates (Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland) they
haven't established no permanent military base nor nuclear wapons.
To run common exercises and to train allied forces from time to time
also in Slovenia there will be held joint exercises - as it has alredy
been done untill now (e.g. CAE - Cooperative Adventure Exchange in year
98' in SE part of Slovenia)
2
Q: Is it sensible to join NATO, since also EU is developing common
european security and defence policy?
A: EU doesn't plan to ensure colective security in the framework of
joint security and defence policy, therefore NATO remains the only
international organisation which can ensure that. Common European
security and defence policy is still in making. EU and NATO are
complementary organisations.
Membership in either of them alone still doesn't give all security,
political, economical and other guarantees, which are important for
Slovenia. That is why memberships in both EU and NATO are priorities in
Slovenian foreign policy.
3
Q: Is Slovenia giving away its souvereignity if it joins NATO?
A: No. NATO is a assocation of souvereign states and does not demand
the renouncement of the souvereignity of its memberstates. Decisions in
NATO are made unanimously, with agreement of all memberstates and never
with majority voting. Decision for membership is volontarily for each
state that wants to join this group of the most developed(in all
fields) states and in the frame of collective defence ensures the
highest possible level of security.
4
Q: Wouldn's Slovenia rather aspire for the status of neutrality, such
as Swiss and Austrians?
A: Austria as well as Swiss, Ireland, Sweden, Finland are formally
internationally accepted neutral stated, which have become such trough
different historical periods and from different reasons. An important
element of their status of neutrality was the respectation of it from
the side of other countries.
Today all countries listed are exceptionally active in NATO's programme
Partnership for Peace, since they are all aware, how importand is to
contribute to ensure the security on the european continent. In some of
those states there are debates on future of the neutrality status.
Almost all mentioned states give a lot of funds to the defence budgeta,
in average noticably more than majority of NATO members.
Dispite the longlasting neutrality of Swiss, which international
community has respected, the swiss citizens have decided on this year's
referendum that their soldiers can participate in international peace
operations.
5
Q: Why and for how much must Slovenia incrise it's military budget?
Slovenia must restructure its defence system accordingly to the
standards of memberstates of NATO primarily because of its own
security. Memberstate of the Alliance must provide necessary funds, to
fulfill it's obligations, that's why for the planning of restructuring
and modernisation of slovenian defence system it will be necessary to
ensure appropriate financial resources.
In year 2000 Slovenia has given 1,23% of the budget to the defence. In
this year it's planned that this procentage will be around 1,46% of
GDP, which means slightly more than 270 mil $, or some 5,15% of the
total budget of Slovenia. The procentage of funds for defence will be
slightly increased by year 2005 and will range around 1,5%. Number
mentioned (and procentage) is lower than that in NATO memberstates,
where average is around 2%.
6
Q: What will be the contribution in NATO and how much will it cost the
slovenian taxpayers?
A: Contribution of Slovenia for membership is supposed to be 1% of
those funds, which individual memberstate is giving for defence budget,
and considering temporary expenditures this would sum up to some 4 mil
USD per year. These funds go to NATO civil and military budget for
working of organisation and to execution of joint infrastructural
projects, accordingly to the decisions of the memberstates. When
Slovenia would become a member state it would be able to participate at
decisions on budget expenditures and it would also use the common
infrastructure. Each memberstate alone covers the costs for
establishing and functioning of its mission at NATO and
the participation of its forces in peace operations.
7
Q: Is it necessary to decide upon the membership on a referendum?
A: Referendum is possible, but it's not necessary for a country to come
to a decision. Out of three new CE memberstates of NATO, referendum was
only called in Hungary.
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I'd also like to draw Your attention to the www public opinion
measurement:
http://nato.gov.si/slo/anketa/1004/
Do you support slovenian joining to NATO?
Yes 67 (42%)
No 67 (42%)
Don't know 24 (15%)
Total votes: 158
If You find any ideas or good arguments agains the answers abouve, you
can also write to Group Neutro ( neutro@... ) and visit
our no-budget site www.ljudmila.org/neutro which of course is more
informative and actually does have it's english pages :)
In EU campaign Slovenian government has given 0'1% - 0'5% of all funds
for NGO's to Eurocritical organisations. Nothing similar has happened
in the NATO campaign.
I't also fully unknown to us where the funds for slovenian Atlantic
Council (supposedily a NGO) come from:
http://www.atlantski-svet.org/
You can find links to this "NGO" but there is no link to Neutro page -
also a NGO !
With best wishes,
Blaz Babic, Group Neutro, Slovenia
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slovenian version of first the article:
DELO, 12.11.2001, str.4
Od Slovenije pricakujemo, da bo koristila Natu"
intervju z Lord Robertsonom, generalnim sekretarjem Nata
Delo: Predvidevam, da si kot generalni sekretar zaveznistva zelite
siroko javno podporo kandidatk za clanstvo v Natu. Se vam zdi, da bi
bil referendum pravsnji nacin za potrditev nacrtov vlad?
Lord Robertson: Ne. Mislim, da je referendum zelo tog nacin in v bistvu
nepotreben. Javnost se kajpak mora strinjati, treba pa jo je nenehno
opazovati in obvescati. V Sloveniji deluje zdruzenje atlantski svet, ki
je pretekli mesec gostilo zdruzenje atlantskega sporazuma, vem da so
clani te organizacije in zagovarjajo stvar. Mocna podpora javnega
mnenja v prid clanstvu v Natu je izjemnega pomena za zaveznistvo in za
drzave, ki se vkljucujejo . Mlacna zavzetost za clanstvo lahko kvecjemu
pomeni, da se bo Nato spopadal s tezavami. Zato pricakujemo, da bodo
vlade kandidatk do vrha v Pragi uporabile vso energijo, da pridobijo
javnost in ji pojasnijo, kako pomembna sta Nato in natovska aktivnost.
Gesendet: Montag, 12. November 2001 17:40
An: Tina Purnat
Betreff: NATO desinformation and anti-democratic campaign in Slovenia
from: Blaz Babic, blaz.babic@...
DELO, 12th November, 2001, pg. 4
"We expect from Slovenia to be useful for NATO"
an interview with Lord Robertson, Secretary General of NATO
Delo: I suppose that You as a Secretary General of the Alliance wish
to see a broad public support in the applicant countries. Does it seem
to You, that a referendum would be a proper method to ratify the plans
of the governments?
Lord Robertson: No. I think that a referendum is a very unflexible
method and basically unnecessary. However the public should agree, but
it needs to be uder constant watch and be informed. In Slovenia you
have an Association Atlantic Council, which has hosted Association
Atlantic Treaty last month, I know they're members of that organisation
and they support the couse. Mild public opinion in support of
membership merely means that NATO will be facing troubles. That's why
we expect from the governments of candidate countries that they'll use
all energy availabe, to gain public support and
explain to it's people how important NATO and it's activities are.
----------------
Additional commentary:
Today L Robertson is visiting Slovenia. This was not announced in
advance since during his last visit he was welcomed by noisy protesters.
Today Governmental Office of Information is launching a 20.000 DEM worth
internet page:
web page: nato.gov.si
To give You a better insight in the details of slovenian govern-mental
PR, I have translated some FAQ on that site
1
Q: Will NATO if Slovenia becomes a member state establish military
bases or deploy nuclear weapons?
A: NATO doesn't plan to permanently station its forces on the teritory
of new memberstates therefore not also on the Slovenian teritory. In
three new memberstates (Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland) they
haven't established no permanent military base nor nuclear wapons.
To run common exercises and to train allied forces from time to time
also in Slovenia there will be held joint exercises - as it has alredy
been done untill now (e.g. CAE - Cooperative Adventure Exchange in year
98' in SE part of Slovenia)
2
Q: Is it sensible to join NATO, since also EU is developing common
european security and defence policy?
A: EU doesn't plan to ensure colective security in the framework of
joint security and defence policy, therefore NATO remains the only
international organisation which can ensure that. Common European
security and defence policy is still in making. EU and NATO are
complementary organisations.
Membership in either of them alone still doesn't give all security,
political, economical and other guarantees, which are important for
Slovenia. That is why memberships in both EU and NATO are priorities in
Slovenian foreign policy.
3
Q: Is Slovenia giving away its souvereignity if it joins NATO?
A: No. NATO is a assocation of souvereign states and does not demand
the renouncement of the souvereignity of its memberstates. Decisions in
NATO are made unanimously, with agreement of all memberstates and never
with majority voting. Decision for membership is volontarily for each
state that wants to join this group of the most developed(in all
fields) states and in the frame of collective defence ensures the
highest possible level of security.
4
Q: Wouldn's Slovenia rather aspire for the status of neutrality, such
as Swiss and Austrians?
A: Austria as well as Swiss, Ireland, Sweden, Finland are formally
internationally accepted neutral stated, which have become such trough
different historical periods and from different reasons. An important
element of their status of neutrality was the respectation of it from
the side of other countries.
Today all countries listed are exceptionally active in NATO's programme
Partnership for Peace, since they are all aware, how importand is to
contribute to ensure the security on the european continent. In some of
those states there are debates on future of the neutrality status.
Almost all mentioned states give a lot of funds to the defence budgeta,
in average noticably more than majority of NATO members.
Dispite the longlasting neutrality of Swiss, which international
community has respected, the swiss citizens have decided on this year's
referendum that their soldiers can participate in international peace
operations.
5
Q: Why and for how much must Slovenia incrise it's military budget?
Slovenia must restructure its defence system accordingly to the
standards of memberstates of NATO primarily because of its own
security. Memberstate of the Alliance must provide necessary funds, to
fulfill it's obligations, that's why for the planning of restructuring
and modernisation of slovenian defence system it will be necessary to
ensure appropriate financial resources.
In year 2000 Slovenia has given 1,23% of the budget to the defence. In
this year it's planned that this procentage will be around 1,46% of
GDP, which means slightly more than 270 mil $, or some 5,15% of the
total budget of Slovenia. The procentage of funds for defence will be
slightly increased by year 2005 and will range around 1,5%. Number
mentioned (and procentage) is lower than that in NATO memberstates,
where average is around 2%.
6
Q: What will be the contribution in NATO and how much will it cost the
slovenian taxpayers?
A: Contribution of Slovenia for membership is supposed to be 1% of
those funds, which individual memberstate is giving for defence budget,
and considering temporary expenditures this would sum up to some 4 mil
USD per year. These funds go to NATO civil and military budget for
working of organisation and to execution of joint infrastructural
projects, accordingly to the decisions of the memberstates. When
Slovenia would become a member state it would be able to participate at
decisions on budget expenditures and it would also use the common
infrastructure. Each memberstate alone covers the costs for
establishing and functioning of its mission at NATO and
the participation of its forces in peace operations.
7
Q: Is it necessary to decide upon the membership on a referendum?
A: Referendum is possible, but it's not necessary for a country to come
to a decision. Out of three new CE memberstates of NATO, referendum was
only called in Hungary.
----------------
I'd also like to draw Your attention to the www public opinion
measurement:
http://nato.gov.si/slo/anketa/1004/
Do you support slovenian joining to NATO?
Yes 67 (42%)
No 67 (42%)
Don't know 24 (15%)
Total votes: 158
If You find any ideas or good arguments agains the answers abouve, you
can also write to Group Neutro ( neutro@... ) and visit
our no-budget site www.ljudmila.org/neutro which of course is more
informative and actually does have it's english pages :)
In EU campaign Slovenian government has given 0'1% - 0'5% of all funds
for NGO's to Eurocritical organisations. Nothing similar has happened
in the NATO campaign.
I't also fully unknown to us where the funds for slovenian Atlantic
Council (supposedily a NGO) come from:
http://www.atlantski-svet.org/
You can find links to this "NGO" but there is no link to Neutro page -
also a NGO !
With best wishes,
Blaz Babic, Group Neutro, Slovenia
------------------
slovenian version of first the article:
DELO, 12.11.2001, str.4
Od Slovenije pricakujemo, da bo koristila Natu"
intervju z Lord Robertsonom, generalnim sekretarjem Nata
Delo: Predvidevam, da si kot generalni sekretar zaveznistva zelite
siroko javno podporo kandidatk za clanstvo v Natu. Se vam zdi, da bi
bil referendum pravsnji nacin za potrditev nacrtov vlad?
Lord Robertson: Ne. Mislim, da je referendum zelo tog nacin in v bistvu
nepotreben. Javnost se kajpak mora strinjati, treba pa jo je nenehno
opazovati in obvescati. V Sloveniji deluje zdruzenje atlantski svet, ki
je pretekli mesec gostilo zdruzenje atlantskega sporazuma, vem da so
clani te organizacije in zagovarjajo stvar. Mocna podpora javnega
mnenja v prid clanstvu v Natu je izjemnega pomena za zaveznistvo in za
drzave, ki se vkljucujejo . Mlacna zavzetost za clanstvo lahko kvecjemu
pomeni, da se bo Nato spopadal s tezavami. Zato pricakujemo, da bodo
vlade kandidatk do vrha v Pragi uporabile vso energijo, da pridobijo
javnost in ji pojasnijo, kako pomembna sta Nato in natovska aktivnost.
TPI: JUGOSLAVIA,UNITA' SPECIALI BLOCCANO STRADA PER PROTESTA
(ANSA) - BELGRADO, 12 NOV - Un centinaio di agenti della
polizia speciale hanno bloccato una delle principali vie di
accesso a Belgrado per protesta contro la cooperazione fra le
autorita' serbe e il Tribunale penale internazionale.
Gli agenti della base di Kula, il centro di affestramento
delle unita' speciali a nord della capitale jugoslava, erano
entrati in agitazione venerdi', dopo l'arresto in Serbia di due
fratelli serbo-bosniaci, Nenan e Predrag Banovic, accusati di
aver commesso atrocita' nel campo di concentramento di Keraterm,
nel nord ovest della Bosnia.
Secondo parte della stampa i fratelli Banovic - subito
consegnati ai giudici dell'Aja - facevano parte di quelle
unita'. Secondo altri giornali, la protesta - la prima del
genere dalla fondazione dei corpi speciali - nasce dal timore di
molti agenti di dover rispondere al Tpi delle loro azioni
durante le guerre balcaniche del 1991-99.
I dimostranti, che al momento non rilasciano dichiarazioni,
avevano annunciato venerdi' che da quel momento si sarebbero
rifiutati di eseguire arresti di incriminati dal Tpi.
(ANSA).
TPI: JUGOSLAVIA, RIENTRA PROTESTA UNITA' SPECIALI
(VEDI ''TPI: JUGOSLAVIA,...'' DELLE 09:00 CIRCA)
(ANSA) - BELGRADO, 12 NOV - I circa 80 agenti delle forze
speciali dei servizi segreti serbi che avevano stamane bloccato
l'autostrada Belgrado-Zagabria per protesta contro la
collaborazione jugoslava con il Tribunale penale internazionale
si sono ritirati e sono tornati nella loro caserma di Kula
(Vojvodina, Serbia del nord).
I dimostranti, tutti col volto coperto, protestavano per
l'arresto, avvenuto giovedi' nel sobborgo belgradese di
Obrenovac, di due gemelli serbo-bosniaci ricercati dal Tpi,
Nenad e Predrag Banovic. I due, accusati di omicidi, torture e
altri crimini avvenuti nel 1992 nel lager bosniaco di Keraterm,
erano stati consegnati venerdi' ai giudici dell'Aja.
Fra le intimazioni degli agenti in rivolta (la prima mai
avvenuta tra le forze di sicurezza) c'erano le dimissioni del
ministro degli interni serbo Dusan Mihajlovic, che aveva
ordinato l'arresto e l'estradizione, e l'asserzione di non voler
piu' procedere ad arresti per conto del Tpi, in mancanza di una
specifica legge federale di cooperazione.
Il premier serbo Zoran Djindjic, che ha avuto colloqui con i
vertici dei servizi (Rdb), ha sottolineato che ''i funzionari di
polizia non devono occuparsi di politica. Se non sono d'accordo
con gli ordini ricevuti, non devono fare altro che licenziarsi,
e peraltro nei dieci anni passati (quando era al potere il
regime di Slobodan Milosevic, ndr) non si sono mai posti il
problema della legittimita' di quanto veniva loro chiesto''.
La vicenda, a parere di molti politici e della stampa, e' un
ennesimo round del braccio di ferro che oppone Djindjic al
presidente jugoslavo Vojislav Kostunica, molto critico nei
confronti del Tpi. Il Partito democratico serbo (Dss) di
Kostunica ha definito l'arresto dei fratelli Banovic ''illegale
e vergognoso sia per le vittime che per gli esecutori''. (ANSA).
DJINDJIC: SERBIA AND YUGOSLAVIA SHOULD COOPERATE WITH THE HAGUE TRIBUNAL
BELGRADE, Nov. 11 (Beta) - Serbian Premier, Zoran Djindjic,
said in Belgrade on Nov. 11 that he was unaware of the extradition of
the two Bosnian Serb twin brothers to the Hague Tribunal, adding,
however, that Serbia and Yugoslavia were obligated to cooperate with the
court.
At Belgrade airport, returning from a U.S. visit, Djindjic
told the press that the extradition of the Banovic brothers should not
be "turned into a political event", because the Serbian government has
declared it will cooperate with the Hague Tribunal. He said that failure
to cooperate would entail renewed isolation of the country, adding he
was not prepared to bear the responsibility for the isolation of Serbia.
"We expect the federal government and the federal parliament
to declare themselves (on cooperation with the Hague) in a constructive
way. Until this happens, we cooperate the way we do now, from case to
case", said Djindjic.
Djindjic said he had no understanding for the mutiny of an
elite Serbian police unit, the "red berets". Djindjic weighed in on the
protest commenting that members of special police units were free to
quit if they did not approve of the moves of the Serbian government.
He said he was satisfied with the results of the Serbian
delegation's visit to the U.S., claiming Yugoslavia was a fair way to
favorably resolving the issue of its debt to the Paris club of creditors
and to having 50 to 70 per cent of its debt written off.
ICTY: ARREST OF BANOVIC BROTHERS SIGNALS COOPERATION
THE HAGUE, Nov 11 (Beta) - Spokesman of the judicial section
of the Hague Tribunal, Jim Landale, welcomed on Nov. 9 the arrest and
transfer to the Hague of Bosnian Serb brothers Predrag and Nenad Banovic
who are charged with expelling, killing and torturing Bosnian Muslims in
the Keraterm detention camp near Prijedor in 1992.
"As far as we know, they were arrested by the Serbian
authorities. It is a positive sign of cooperation and a welcome
development. We hope it will lead to new instances of cooperation,
including the arrest and transfer to the Hague of all the accused who
reside in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia", Landale told BETA.
Prosecution spokeswomen, Florence Hartmann, told BETA the
Serbian authorities had "acted in accordance with their obligations to
the tribunal".
The Banovic brothers, who are twins, are accused of crimes
against humanity - expulsion on political, race and religious grounds,
killing and torture.
+++ Rücktritt des Innenministers wegen Den Haag gefordert +++
BELGRAD, 10. November 2001. Spezialeinheiten des serbischen
Innenministeriums haben heute die Autobahn Novi Sad-Subotica im
Norden des Landes blockiert. Mit dieser Aktion protestieren sie
gegen die Verhaftung und die Übergabe an das Tribunal in Den Haag
der Serben Nenad und Predrag Banovic. Die protestierenden
Einheiten fordern den Rücktritt von Serbiens Innenminister Dusan
Mihajlovic, der die Verhaftung der beiden Männer angeordnet hat.
Die "Einheit für Sondereinsätze", die die Verhaftung durchgeführt
hat, verteilte den Journalisten eine Erklärung, in der es heißt,
Minister Mihajlovic habe persönlich die Verhaftung angeordnet und
den Polizisten gesagt, es handele sich um zwei Räuber, die
verhaftet werden sollen.
Die protestierenden Polizisten haben bekräftigt, sie würden sich
künftig allen Befehlen widersetzten, die Verhaftung der Personen
verlangen, die vom "Kriegsverbrechertribunal" in Den Haag gesucht
werden.
TANJUG
+++ Auslieferung Milosevics verfassungswidrig +++
BELGRAD, 7. November 2001. Das jugoslawische Verfassungsgericht
hat den Beschluss der jugoslawischen Regierung zur Auslieferung
mutmaßlicher Kriegsverbrecher an das Den Haager Tribunal für
verfassungswidrig erklärt. Wie am Mittwoch vom Gericht bestätigt
wurde, erklärte der Senat unter Vorsitz des Richters Milan
Vesovic den Beschluss am Dienstag als nicht vereinbar mit der
Verfassung Jugoslawiens. Dem Spruch ging eine Anhörung von
Verteidigern des Ex-Präsidenten Slobodan Milosevic voraus, der an
das Den Haager Tribunal ausgeliefert worden ist.
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(ANSA) - BELGRADO, 12 NOV - Un centinaio di agenti della
polizia speciale hanno bloccato una delle principali vie di
accesso a Belgrado per protesta contro la cooperazione fra le
autorita' serbe e il Tribunale penale internazionale.
Gli agenti della base di Kula, il centro di affestramento
delle unita' speciali a nord della capitale jugoslava, erano
entrati in agitazione venerdi', dopo l'arresto in Serbia di due
fratelli serbo-bosniaci, Nenan e Predrag Banovic, accusati di
aver commesso atrocita' nel campo di concentramento di Keraterm,
nel nord ovest della Bosnia.
Secondo parte della stampa i fratelli Banovic - subito
consegnati ai giudici dell'Aja - facevano parte di quelle
unita'. Secondo altri giornali, la protesta - la prima del
genere dalla fondazione dei corpi speciali - nasce dal timore di
molti agenti di dover rispondere al Tpi delle loro azioni
durante le guerre balcaniche del 1991-99.
I dimostranti, che al momento non rilasciano dichiarazioni,
avevano annunciato venerdi' che da quel momento si sarebbero
rifiutati di eseguire arresti di incriminati dal Tpi.
(ANSA).
TPI: JUGOSLAVIA, RIENTRA PROTESTA UNITA' SPECIALI
(VEDI ''TPI: JUGOSLAVIA,...'' DELLE 09:00 CIRCA)
(ANSA) - BELGRADO, 12 NOV - I circa 80 agenti delle forze
speciali dei servizi segreti serbi che avevano stamane bloccato
l'autostrada Belgrado-Zagabria per protesta contro la
collaborazione jugoslava con il Tribunale penale internazionale
si sono ritirati e sono tornati nella loro caserma di Kula
(Vojvodina, Serbia del nord).
I dimostranti, tutti col volto coperto, protestavano per
l'arresto, avvenuto giovedi' nel sobborgo belgradese di
Obrenovac, di due gemelli serbo-bosniaci ricercati dal Tpi,
Nenad e Predrag Banovic. I due, accusati di omicidi, torture e
altri crimini avvenuti nel 1992 nel lager bosniaco di Keraterm,
erano stati consegnati venerdi' ai giudici dell'Aja.
Fra le intimazioni degli agenti in rivolta (la prima mai
avvenuta tra le forze di sicurezza) c'erano le dimissioni del
ministro degli interni serbo Dusan Mihajlovic, che aveva
ordinato l'arresto e l'estradizione, e l'asserzione di non voler
piu' procedere ad arresti per conto del Tpi, in mancanza di una
specifica legge federale di cooperazione.
Il premier serbo Zoran Djindjic, che ha avuto colloqui con i
vertici dei servizi (Rdb), ha sottolineato che ''i funzionari di
polizia non devono occuparsi di politica. Se non sono d'accordo
con gli ordini ricevuti, non devono fare altro che licenziarsi,
e peraltro nei dieci anni passati (quando era al potere il
regime di Slobodan Milosevic, ndr) non si sono mai posti il
problema della legittimita' di quanto veniva loro chiesto''.
La vicenda, a parere di molti politici e della stampa, e' un
ennesimo round del braccio di ferro che oppone Djindjic al
presidente jugoslavo Vojislav Kostunica, molto critico nei
confronti del Tpi. Il Partito democratico serbo (Dss) di
Kostunica ha definito l'arresto dei fratelli Banovic ''illegale
e vergognoso sia per le vittime che per gli esecutori''. (ANSA).
DJINDJIC: SERBIA AND YUGOSLAVIA SHOULD COOPERATE WITH THE HAGUE TRIBUNAL
BELGRADE, Nov. 11 (Beta) - Serbian Premier, Zoran Djindjic,
said in Belgrade on Nov. 11 that he was unaware of the extradition of
the two Bosnian Serb twin brothers to the Hague Tribunal, adding,
however, that Serbia and Yugoslavia were obligated to cooperate with the
court.
At Belgrade airport, returning from a U.S. visit, Djindjic
told the press that the extradition of the Banovic brothers should not
be "turned into a political event", because the Serbian government has
declared it will cooperate with the Hague Tribunal. He said that failure
to cooperate would entail renewed isolation of the country, adding he
was not prepared to bear the responsibility for the isolation of Serbia.
"We expect the federal government and the federal parliament
to declare themselves (on cooperation with the Hague) in a constructive
way. Until this happens, we cooperate the way we do now, from case to
case", said Djindjic.
Djindjic said he had no understanding for the mutiny of an
elite Serbian police unit, the "red berets". Djindjic weighed in on the
protest commenting that members of special police units were free to
quit if they did not approve of the moves of the Serbian government.
He said he was satisfied with the results of the Serbian
delegation's visit to the U.S., claiming Yugoslavia was a fair way to
favorably resolving the issue of its debt to the Paris club of creditors
and to having 50 to 70 per cent of its debt written off.
ICTY: ARREST OF BANOVIC BROTHERS SIGNALS COOPERATION
THE HAGUE, Nov 11 (Beta) - Spokesman of the judicial section
of the Hague Tribunal, Jim Landale, welcomed on Nov. 9 the arrest and
transfer to the Hague of Bosnian Serb brothers Predrag and Nenad Banovic
who are charged with expelling, killing and torturing Bosnian Muslims in
the Keraterm detention camp near Prijedor in 1992.
"As far as we know, they were arrested by the Serbian
authorities. It is a positive sign of cooperation and a welcome
development. We hope it will lead to new instances of cooperation,
including the arrest and transfer to the Hague of all the accused who
reside in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia", Landale told BETA.
Prosecution spokeswomen, Florence Hartmann, told BETA the
Serbian authorities had "acted in accordance with their obligations to
the tribunal".
The Banovic brothers, who are twins, are accused of crimes
against humanity - expulsion on political, race and religious grounds,
killing and torture.
+++ Rücktritt des Innenministers wegen Den Haag gefordert +++
BELGRAD, 10. November 2001. Spezialeinheiten des serbischen
Innenministeriums haben heute die Autobahn Novi Sad-Subotica im
Norden des Landes blockiert. Mit dieser Aktion protestieren sie
gegen die Verhaftung und die Übergabe an das Tribunal in Den Haag
der Serben Nenad und Predrag Banovic. Die protestierenden
Einheiten fordern den Rücktritt von Serbiens Innenminister Dusan
Mihajlovic, der die Verhaftung der beiden Männer angeordnet hat.
Die "Einheit für Sondereinsätze", die die Verhaftung durchgeführt
hat, verteilte den Journalisten eine Erklärung, in der es heißt,
Minister Mihajlovic habe persönlich die Verhaftung angeordnet und
den Polizisten gesagt, es handele sich um zwei Räuber, die
verhaftet werden sollen.
Die protestierenden Polizisten haben bekräftigt, sie würden sich
künftig allen Befehlen widersetzten, die Verhaftung der Personen
verlangen, die vom "Kriegsverbrechertribunal" in Den Haag gesucht
werden.
TANJUG
+++ Auslieferung Milosevics verfassungswidrig +++
BELGRAD, 7. November 2001. Das jugoslawische Verfassungsgericht
hat den Beschluss der jugoslawischen Regierung zur Auslieferung
mutmaßlicher Kriegsverbrecher an das Den Haager Tribunal für
verfassungswidrig erklärt. Wie am Mittwoch vom Gericht bestätigt
wurde, erklärte der Senat unter Vorsitz des Richters Milan
Vesovic den Beschluss am Dienstag als nicht vereinbar mit der
Verfassung Jugoslawiens. Dem Spruch ging eine Anhörung von
Verteidigern des Ex-Präsidenten Slobodan Milosevic voraus, der an
das Den Haager Tribunal ausgeliefert worden ist.
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