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Is the German-Troops-In-Yugoslavia Dispatch Real?
Date:
Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:14:44 +0200
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Monday, October 16, 2000
1. Is the German-Troops-In-Yugoslavia Dispatch Real?
2. Do not Weep, Yugoslavia!
3. I Remain Optimistic Because the Only Other Option Is Suicide
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The URL for this article is
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/real.htm
Is the German-Troops-In-Yugoslavia Dispatch Real?
On 10/12 we posted a dispatch from German "AP" in which German Foreign
Minister Joschka Fischer is quoted as calling for the German Army to
permanently occupy Yugoslavia. Several people have raised the question:
are we sure this dispatch is real? One gentleman wrote:
<< Are they nuts? Is it a fake dispatch? I can see how Bundeswehr would
be "greeted" in Yugoslavia. Joschka probably thinks the rest of
Yugoslavia
is like Kosovo. Even kids would shower them with stones. Will SS and
Gestapo follow? The fellow should be locked up in an asylum. >>
We're not competent to judge whether they're nuts, but the dispatch is
authentic. It does indeed come from 'German AP'. Here's what happened
and
how we checked the authenticity:
1) A reader in Germany wrote us wondering why no Website critical of
NATO
had posted an 'AP' dispatch he'd found on the German language Yahoo
Website. (Some people have written us that "AP doesn't have a German
Website." Perhaps not, but 'AP' does have a German language
service which issues dispatches and Yahoo does post these dispatches on
its German language Website.)
The German reader translated part of the dispatch into English.
It was amazing. Could German Foreign Minister Fischer actually have
said
he wants to permanently station the German Army in Yugoslavia? Could he,
a
leader of the country has been trying to destroy Yugoslavia for a
hundred
years, and which committed and supported the worst atrocities in
Yugoslavia
during World War II - could he really have said that Yugoslavs need to
learn democratic culture in order to relate to Germany? Was he aware
that,
when the Germans set up a puppet regime in Belgrade during World War II
and
demanded that the quislings round up the Jews, the quislings refused?
Does
Fischer know that the German commander then
responded that the Serbs had "low culture"?
Could Fischer have actually said these things?
It did not seem unlikely that the German Foreign Ministry would want to
permanently station troops in Yugoslavia. But could Fischer have been so
reckless as to admit it publicly?
None of us at Emperor's Clothes were personally acquainted with the
reader
who sent us the email. We decided to investigate thoroughly before
posting:
1) First we went to http://de.news.yahoo.com/4/ . That's the German
Yahoo
site where the reader said he found the article. Scrolling down to the
phrase "Nachrichten suchen" which means "news search" , we typed in
"Fischer will Jugoslawien mit Bundeswehr helfen" (Fischer wants German
Army
to help Yugoslavia) We clicked the usual button and were taken to the
web
address "http://de.news.yahoo.com/001011/12/14aun.html" This URL had the
right title, ("Fischer will Jugoslawien mit Bundeswehr helfen"), but
when
we clicked on it we got the message "Seite nicht gefunden" or "Website
not
found". So the article had been there but now it was gone...
Curious. And also curious that the other links on the page worked fine.
(Note: In case the link were to be removed entirely, we have made
copies
of the entire web page; if it is still there when you check you might
want
to do likewise.)
So now we knew the 'AP' dispatch existed but we couldn't be sure our
German reader had sent us an accurate text. We contacted a writer for
Emperor's Clothes who works for a German outfit that subscribes to
'German
AP'. He found the dispatch. He did an impromptu phone translation. His
translation matched what the German reader had sent us almost word for
word
and the meaning was identical. So now we had the actual dispatch, just
as
it been sent out by 'German AP'. That dispatch is posted at the end of
this
article.
Was the Fischer Story Suppressed? And Why?
This 'AP' dispatch is big news.
We subscribe to Lexis Nexis. It allows us to instantly scan thousands
of
English language and non-English language newspapers, TV news programs
and
wire services (not including 'German AP') We went to Lexis and typed in:
Fischer and Bundeswehr or "German army" and Yugoslavia.
There were no entries. Had no newspaper, TV news program, or wire
service
in the Western world picked up this highly newsworthy story?
We called people in Germany. None of them had seen the Fischer story in
the German media.
'AP-Germany' is a self-contained entity but of course it is read by
people
from newspapers and news services around the world.
Why hasn't this sensational story been reported?
The only explanation we can think of is: it was suppressed.
Perhaps Fischer revealed a plan he was not supposed to reveal, a plan
for
German troops to be sent into Yugoslavia in the event that certain
forces
succeed in creating such instability and chaos that "a firm hand is
needed." Perhaps after Fischer blabbed and 'German AP' erred by
reporting
his speech there was a hasty effort at damage control. This would
explain
the dispatch first being posted at German Yahoo and then apparently
being
pulled and it would explain the fact that newspapers and TV stations
failed
to report Fischer's remarks.
Taken alongside a slew of highly provocative and destabilizing actions
by
the Djindjic and Kostunica forces in Yugoslavia, this statement by
Fischer,
and the apparent suppression of the news reporting that he made this
statement, are ominous.
Below is the exact text of the 'German AP' dispatch followed by the
English translation.
German Text
The top part of the 'AP' dispatch gives the date and identifies the
dispatch as coming from 'AP'. Following that the comes the category,
"Bundestag/Jugoslawien/Fischer", which means
"Parliament/Yugoslavia/Fischer" and then the headline. The text is the
same as the English, which follows.
11.10. 17:29 ap 4
Bundestag/Jugoslawien/Fischer
Fischer will Jugoslawien mit Bundeswehr helfen
Utl: Demokratie als Voraussetzung für dauerhaften Frieden
Berlin (AP) Bundesaußenminister Joschka Fischer hat sich am Mittwoch im
Bundestag dafür ausgesprochen, sich in Jugoslawien nicht nur materiell
zu
engagieren, sondern dauerhaft mit der Bundeswehr und mit zivilen Kräften
vor Ort zu sein. Es biete sich nun die Chance, eine Demokratie in einem
sich einigenden Europa zu schaffen. Das wiedervereinigte Deutschland
habe eine besondere Verantwortung dazu beizutragen, dass sich die
Demokratie in Serbien konsolidiere.
Demokratie sei Voraussetzung für einen dauerhaften Frieden auf dem
Balkan.
Es sei richtig gewesen, der großserbischen Politik des jugoslawischen
Präsidenten Slobodan Milosevic Einhalt zu gebieten und sich auf Seiten
der
demokratischen Opposition zu engagieren, sagte Fischer. Das blutige
Morden
auf dem Balkan könne nun ein Ende
haben. Der Stabilitätspakt müsse dafür eingesetzt werden, sich unter
anderem an der Räumung der Donau zu beteiligen. Zudem solle eine
demokratische Kultur aufgebaut werden, um die Beziehungen zwischen
Deutschland und Serbien zu normalisieren. Erste Schritte seien durch die
Aufhebung des Öl- und Flugembargos durch die EU gemacht worden.
So könne Serbien auf dem Weg nach Europa begleitet werden. Nach den
Worten
Fischers müssen diejenigen zur Rechenschaft gezogen werden, die
schwerste
Schuld auf sich geladen haben. Vorrang habe zunächst jedoch, dass die
demokratischen Veränderungen friedlich durchgesetzt würden und sich
Gerechtigkeit durchsetze. Der westliche Balkan sei Teil einer
europäischen
Gesamtverantwortung.
Ende
AP/str/rg
111728 okt 00
English translation
Fischer wants German Army to help Yugoslavia.
(Berlin), AP, Oct. 11, 2000
German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer, addressing Parliament on
Wednesday, expressed his opinion that Germany should not only provide
material help to Yugoslavia but that the Bundeswehr [the German Army]
and
non-military organizations should establish a permanent presence there.
He
declared that this was a unique chance to create a democracy in the
context
of further European unification.
Reunited Germany has a special responsibility for stabilizing democracy
in
Serbia. Democracy, said Mr. Fischer, is the basis for a lasting peace in
the Balkans. But the priority is for the moment that the democratic
changes
be carried out peacefully and that justice prevail. The Western Balkans
is
a part of the European comprehensive responsibility.
It was truly correct at the time to stop Slobodan Milosevich's policy
of
Greater Serbia and to engage oneself on the side of the democratic
opposition, says Joschka Fischer. Now the bloody murdering in the
Balkans
can be stopped. The Stability Pact has to be used, among other things,
for
the clearing of the Danube. Also democratic culture has to be built up
[in
Serbia] to make possible the normalization of relations between Germany
and
Serbia. The first steps have been taken through the lifting of the oil
and
the flight embargoes by the European Union. Now Serbia can be
accompanied
on its route toward Europe. In the words of Fischer, all those who have
made themselves guilty of grave crimes have to be brought to justice.
www.tenc.net [Emperor's Clothes]
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The URL for this article is
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/doncheva/rumors.htm
Do not Weep, Yugoslavia!
Rumors of Serb Refugee Camps
by Blagovesta Doncheva (9-16-2000)
The CIA Boss was in Bulgaria recently: reason for and aim of visit -
the
Yugo Coup. Task fulfilled. The CIA salutes and flies somewhere else to
organize another coup in the interest of Big Profit.
Now the FBI Boss is here. Some say the FBI is the USA's Gestapo. Some
say
the visit is proof that the USA's Gestapo has chosen Bulgaria for its
Gestapo base regarding Yugoslavs. Some say the FBI Boss' visit to
Bulgaria
is mainly practical - confirmation and looking over the chosen
prisons or adapted former concentration camps and other suitable places
for the Serbs that will be kidnapped, dragged here and lectured on
democracy using some specific Gestapo-FBI methods before being killed.
Some
say the Serbs will be very grateful indeed when at last they are
mercifully
killed. Some say the Serbs dragged here will be represented to the
Bulgarian public (that happens to see them) as "refugees". There is a
talk
about building "refugee camps" in Bulgaria. Some say the Americans have
reconstructed an old concentration camp on the Danube island of Belene
for
a "Serb refugee" camp. Some think they will prefer the regions in
Western
Bulgaria near the boundary with Yugoslavia. The terrain there is
mountainous, sparsely populated and rarely visited. Some of the people
who
say these things have connections with high ranking police officers.
Others
have knowledge of the secret machineries' work in such cases. It cannot
be
proved. But it seems logical enough.
PS - Since writing that I read an official statement that the FBI will
have a permanent office in Bulgaria. It was announced in the Bulgarian
media. I think it is a kind of a proof of the rumors that circulate here
about so-called "Serb Refugee Camps"...
Every Second Mother
Bulgaria Today - Yugoslavia Tomorrow
by Madlen Kircheva and Blagovesta Doncheva (9-16-2000)
"...And you will pick the fruit of grapevine and of
olive tree you have not planted..." Old
Testament
Today the Bulgarian daily 'SEGA' screams from its first page:
"EVERY SECOND BULGARIAN
MOTHER BANISHES HER CHILD
ABROAD."
Every second mother.
At one of his regular star-performances on Bulgarian TV some days ago,
the
US Ambassador, properly called "Governor", Richard Miles, consoled the
Bulgarians in proper fatherly fashion, advising them not to cry about
the
young emigrants.
"They will come back, enriched with the
experience, accumulated in the USA when life in
Bulgaria gets better."
Who drives the children of Bulgaria away?
The one who turned our life in hell the last ten years. The young
emigrants were the hope of our country, they are its intellectual
treasure,
created by their parents' efforts and the efforts of the whole society.
That unique human potential has been constructed over the course of
years
by means of the Bulgarian social, health and educational systems - all
of
them deliberately and thouroughly annihilated today.
And now that same insatiable cannibal, who has plundered our country
and
life, is consuming the children without having invested even half a cent
or
a minimal effort to give them birth, to raise or educate them. And later
he
will use them as Janissaries (1) for the full extermination of their
birth
cradle: Bulgaria.
The cynicism of Governor Miles can be compared only to that of a rich
slave-owner from the South states. The United States now is acquiring a
quality offspring raised in a foreign farm. Why should Governor Miles
"improve" life in this US protectorate, Bulgaria? And for whom, in fact,
are the US Special Forces, the International Monetary Fund and the World
Bank conducting their deadly "reforms" i this country, ruining both our
people and Homeland?
After some years there will not be any young people here, no children.
And
the old ones will be dead... Don't deceive yourselves: the rape of our
Homeland is carried out only and solely in the interests of the
Metropolis
Beyond the Ocean and the colonial servants here, known as a political
"elite" - nobody knows why.
Do not weep, Yugoslavia!
Madlen Kircheva and Blagovesta Doncheva
October 9, 2000 - Sofia, Bulgaria
(By the way we have sent the above to all Bulgarian media. It has not
been
published. )
***
Footnotes and Further Reading
(1) Our Bulgarian authors use the term "Janissaries" which is explained
in
an excedrpt from the article 'Kostunica & the Yugoslav Election' at
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/kostunic.htm
In the article I was discussing the spending of immense amounts of US
dollars to finance an "independent" (?!) apparatus in order to
destablizie
Yugoslavia. The article continues:
This lavish use of money is linked to what could be called a
Jannisary strategy. The old Ottoman Empire used this strategy
to control the Serbs. They would kidnap Serbian children,
bring them to Turkey at a young age, raise him as Muslims,
and then send him back as the elite Ottoman army.
It happens today, though of course the appearance is
somewhat different. It is in essence what the US elite does
with young people from all over the world, especially
Yugoslavia. They are literally (or figuratively, by means of TV
and movies) brought to the US and other Western capitals
and dazzled with glamour and glitz, with superficiality made
into a virtue - and then sent back to dumb old Yugoslavia.
You can see these young Yugoslavs at elite US universitieis -
aloof, super cool, ashamed of their country. Ashamed of
dumb old Yugoslavia that has more richness of culture than all
Western Europe and the US put together. Full of grubby
farmers and outmoded economic notions etc. etc. In Belgrade
these Janissaries flock to institutions such as "free" radio
B292. I interviewed two staff members from B292. The
interviews are posted on Emperor's Clothes. These young
people have the attitude of smug treason. Consider this
exchange with Gordan Paunovic:
" Jared: [Are you getting any] money coming from foundations in
the US?
"Paunovic: Probably, but I don't know which Foundations. I
am pretty much pissed off in putting this kind of
argumentation, like Soros equals B92. That really comes from
people who are not in a position to see what we are doing.
We will take money from anyone. To make a good
production on many levels, from radio, to TV and video
productions to Internet, Books, music. You need money."
Elsewhere he says:
" Paunovic: And another thing I don't like the way we are -
Like Robin Cook and Jamie Shea they made a huge damage
to our image when Robin Cooke said in a Press Conference
which was directly broadcast on CNN "You know we helped
B92 to get satellite access" and things like that."
But then he and the news editor, whom I also interviewed,
admitted it was true. It was true they were getting time on the
BBC satellite - the BBC, which supported the bombing of
Yugoslavia. But Gordan scorns those who think there's
anything shameful about this. After all, one needs money to do
glamorous things.
This Janissary mentality, contemptuous of the ordinary people
of Yugoslavia, must be supplied with money. Absent money
and it fails. The new global culture is just money and a paint
job.
And because they loathe the backward (i.e. truly cultured)
soul of their country they are useful tools. Hooked on the
most superficial aspects of Western life, in their hearts they
can justify anything. No price is too high for other people to
pay for "modernizing" (i.e. subjugating) their country.
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/kostunic.htm
www.tenc.net [Emperor's Clothes]
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I Remain Optimistic Because the Only Other Option Is Suicide
BELGRADE, Oct. 8 - We received the following letter from a TiM reader in
Belgrade, who asked to be identified only by his initials - M.L., but
whose
full identity is known to TiM:
"Dear Sir, I'd like to express my views of the events in Belgrade and
Serbia over the past couple of days, as well as my reactions to some of
your articles. I spoke last night to some of my friends who participated
in
the events. They told me that a great many demonstrators, especially
those
coming from outside Belgrade, were armed! One of the DOS leaders
admitted
that they wouldn't come back unless they achieve their goal, no matter
what
the cost (in human lives).
I kept silent throughout the night. It is obvious that anything I say
would
create a chorus of hysterical disapproval. Any common sense had left
their
heads long since. I imagine you experienced the same when you warned
about
Milosevic 10 years ago.
As for your remark that quislings waste no time, get a load of this: I
had
just heard on TV that Zoran Djindjic said in an interview to a
Zagreb(!!!)
weekly "Nacional" that there will be no more Yugoslavia, but an
alliance
of states of Serbia and Montenegro with a common foreign policy. And
that
there would be no more federal President, Parliament or Government.
Hmm... I wonder what Mr. Kostunica has to say about that?
Talking about TV, since the "liberation" of the media, they have been
none
short of disastrous. Reactions from Clinton, Blair, Chirac on the
"democratic changes", greetings from Zagreb, Sarajevo... O, Sancta
Simplicitas!!!
I would like to reply to Mr. Alverson, who I truly believe is a dear
friend
of my people but has obviously fallen under this hysteria (see (see An
American at the Serb "Revolution"): He compared this to 96/97 protests.
It
is, to say the least, inappropriate. In 96/97, the streets were
inhabited
by people wanting democracy and freedom. This October, it was a mob out
for
blood (just go and see the movie "Gladiator," and see if there is any
difference between the mob in the Coliseum and that in Belgrade).
You say we will never forget the spring of 1999, Mr.Alverson. Well, I'm
afraid some already have. And judging by who has taken over the media,
in
time a great many will.
In spite of everything I still remain optimistic simply because I have
to.
The only other option is suicide."
M.L., Belgrade, Serbia
Truth in Media
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Global Reflexion - Amsterdam - The Netherlands
Is the German-Troops-In-Yugoslavia Dispatch Real?
Date:
Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:14:44 +0200
From:
global reflexion <office@...>
To:
office@...
The Global Reflexion Foundation contributes, according to her ability,
to
the distribution of information on international issues that in the
media
does not recieve proper attention or is presented in a distorted way. We
receive information from different sources, that does not necessary
reflect
our opinion. If you don't want to receive it, please send us an e-mail.
******************************************************
Monday, October 16, 2000
1. Is the German-Troops-In-Yugoslavia Dispatch Real?
2. Do not Weep, Yugoslavia!
3. I Remain Optimistic Because the Only Other Option Is Suicide
*******************************************************
The URL for this article is
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/real.htm
Is the German-Troops-In-Yugoslavia Dispatch Real?
On 10/12 we posted a dispatch from German "AP" in which German Foreign
Minister Joschka Fischer is quoted as calling for the German Army to
permanently occupy Yugoslavia. Several people have raised the question:
are we sure this dispatch is real? One gentleman wrote:
<< Are they nuts? Is it a fake dispatch? I can see how Bundeswehr would
be "greeted" in Yugoslavia. Joschka probably thinks the rest of
Yugoslavia
is like Kosovo. Even kids would shower them with stones. Will SS and
Gestapo follow? The fellow should be locked up in an asylum. >>
We're not competent to judge whether they're nuts, but the dispatch is
authentic. It does indeed come from 'German AP'. Here's what happened
and
how we checked the authenticity:
1) A reader in Germany wrote us wondering why no Website critical of
NATO
had posted an 'AP' dispatch he'd found on the German language Yahoo
Website. (Some people have written us that "AP doesn't have a German
Website." Perhaps not, but 'AP' does have a German language
service which issues dispatches and Yahoo does post these dispatches on
its German language Website.)
The German reader translated part of the dispatch into English.
It was amazing. Could German Foreign Minister Fischer actually have
said
he wants to permanently station the German Army in Yugoslavia? Could he,
a
leader of the country has been trying to destroy Yugoslavia for a
hundred
years, and which committed and supported the worst atrocities in
Yugoslavia
during World War II - could he really have said that Yugoslavs need to
learn democratic culture in order to relate to Germany? Was he aware
that,
when the Germans set up a puppet regime in Belgrade during World War II
and
demanded that the quislings round up the Jews, the quislings refused?
Does
Fischer know that the German commander then
responded that the Serbs had "low culture"?
Could Fischer have actually said these things?
It did not seem unlikely that the German Foreign Ministry would want to
permanently station troops in Yugoslavia. But could Fischer have been so
reckless as to admit it publicly?
None of us at Emperor's Clothes were personally acquainted with the
reader
who sent us the email. We decided to investigate thoroughly before
posting:
1) First we went to http://de.news.yahoo.com/4/ . That's the German
Yahoo
site where the reader said he found the article. Scrolling down to the
phrase "Nachrichten suchen" which means "news search" , we typed in
"Fischer will Jugoslawien mit Bundeswehr helfen" (Fischer wants German
Army
to help Yugoslavia) We clicked the usual button and were taken to the
web
address "http://de.news.yahoo.com/001011/12/14aun.html" This URL had the
right title, ("Fischer will Jugoslawien mit Bundeswehr helfen"), but
when
we clicked on it we got the message "Seite nicht gefunden" or "Website
not
found". So the article had been there but now it was gone...
Curious. And also curious that the other links on the page worked fine.
(Note: In case the link were to be removed entirely, we have made
copies
of the entire web page; if it is still there when you check you might
want
to do likewise.)
So now we knew the 'AP' dispatch existed but we couldn't be sure our
German reader had sent us an accurate text. We contacted a writer for
Emperor's Clothes who works for a German outfit that subscribes to
'German
AP'. He found the dispatch. He did an impromptu phone translation. His
translation matched what the German reader had sent us almost word for
word
and the meaning was identical. So now we had the actual dispatch, just
as
it been sent out by 'German AP'. That dispatch is posted at the end of
this
article.
Was the Fischer Story Suppressed? And Why?
This 'AP' dispatch is big news.
We subscribe to Lexis Nexis. It allows us to instantly scan thousands
of
English language and non-English language newspapers, TV news programs
and
wire services (not including 'German AP') We went to Lexis and typed in:
Fischer and Bundeswehr or "German army" and Yugoslavia.
There were no entries. Had no newspaper, TV news program, or wire
service
in the Western world picked up this highly newsworthy story?
We called people in Germany. None of them had seen the Fischer story in
the German media.
'AP-Germany' is a self-contained entity but of course it is read by
people
from newspapers and news services around the world.
Why hasn't this sensational story been reported?
The only explanation we can think of is: it was suppressed.
Perhaps Fischer revealed a plan he was not supposed to reveal, a plan
for
German troops to be sent into Yugoslavia in the event that certain
forces
succeed in creating such instability and chaos that "a firm hand is
needed." Perhaps after Fischer blabbed and 'German AP' erred by
reporting
his speech there was a hasty effort at damage control. This would
explain
the dispatch first being posted at German Yahoo and then apparently
being
pulled and it would explain the fact that newspapers and TV stations
failed
to report Fischer's remarks.
Taken alongside a slew of highly provocative and destabilizing actions
by
the Djindjic and Kostunica forces in Yugoslavia, this statement by
Fischer,
and the apparent suppression of the news reporting that he made this
statement, are ominous.
Below is the exact text of the 'German AP' dispatch followed by the
English translation.
German Text
The top part of the 'AP' dispatch gives the date and identifies the
dispatch as coming from 'AP'. Following that the comes the category,
"Bundestag/Jugoslawien/Fischer", which means
"Parliament/Yugoslavia/Fischer" and then the headline. The text is the
same as the English, which follows.
11.10. 17:29 ap 4
Bundestag/Jugoslawien/Fischer
Fischer will Jugoslawien mit Bundeswehr helfen
Utl: Demokratie als Voraussetzung für dauerhaften Frieden
Berlin (AP) Bundesaußenminister Joschka Fischer hat sich am Mittwoch im
Bundestag dafür ausgesprochen, sich in Jugoslawien nicht nur materiell
zu
engagieren, sondern dauerhaft mit der Bundeswehr und mit zivilen Kräften
vor Ort zu sein. Es biete sich nun die Chance, eine Demokratie in einem
sich einigenden Europa zu schaffen. Das wiedervereinigte Deutschland
habe eine besondere Verantwortung dazu beizutragen, dass sich die
Demokratie in Serbien konsolidiere.
Demokratie sei Voraussetzung für einen dauerhaften Frieden auf dem
Balkan.
Es sei richtig gewesen, der großserbischen Politik des jugoslawischen
Präsidenten Slobodan Milosevic Einhalt zu gebieten und sich auf Seiten
der
demokratischen Opposition zu engagieren, sagte Fischer. Das blutige
Morden
auf dem Balkan könne nun ein Ende
haben. Der Stabilitätspakt müsse dafür eingesetzt werden, sich unter
anderem an der Räumung der Donau zu beteiligen. Zudem solle eine
demokratische Kultur aufgebaut werden, um die Beziehungen zwischen
Deutschland und Serbien zu normalisieren. Erste Schritte seien durch die
Aufhebung des Öl- und Flugembargos durch die EU gemacht worden.
So könne Serbien auf dem Weg nach Europa begleitet werden. Nach den
Worten
Fischers müssen diejenigen zur Rechenschaft gezogen werden, die
schwerste
Schuld auf sich geladen haben. Vorrang habe zunächst jedoch, dass die
demokratischen Veränderungen friedlich durchgesetzt würden und sich
Gerechtigkeit durchsetze. Der westliche Balkan sei Teil einer
europäischen
Gesamtverantwortung.
Ende
AP/str/rg
111728 okt 00
English translation
Fischer wants German Army to help Yugoslavia.
(Berlin), AP, Oct. 11, 2000
German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer, addressing Parliament on
Wednesday, expressed his opinion that Germany should not only provide
material help to Yugoslavia but that the Bundeswehr [the German Army]
and
non-military organizations should establish a permanent presence there.
He
declared that this was a unique chance to create a democracy in the
context
of further European unification.
Reunited Germany has a special responsibility for stabilizing democracy
in
Serbia. Democracy, said Mr. Fischer, is the basis for a lasting peace in
the Balkans. But the priority is for the moment that the democratic
changes
be carried out peacefully and that justice prevail. The Western Balkans
is
a part of the European comprehensive responsibility.
It was truly correct at the time to stop Slobodan Milosevich's policy
of
Greater Serbia and to engage oneself on the side of the democratic
opposition, says Joschka Fischer. Now the bloody murdering in the
Balkans
can be stopped. The Stability Pact has to be used, among other things,
for
the clearing of the Danube. Also democratic culture has to be built up
[in
Serbia] to make possible the normalization of relations between Germany
and
Serbia. The first steps have been taken through the lifting of the oil
and
the flight embargoes by the European Union. Now Serbia can be
accompanied
on its route toward Europe. In the words of Fischer, all those who have
made themselves guilty of grave crimes have to be brought to justice.
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The URL for this article is
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/doncheva/rumors.htm
Do not Weep, Yugoslavia!
Rumors of Serb Refugee Camps
by Blagovesta Doncheva (9-16-2000)
The CIA Boss was in Bulgaria recently: reason for and aim of visit -
the
Yugo Coup. Task fulfilled. The CIA salutes and flies somewhere else to
organize another coup in the interest of Big Profit.
Now the FBI Boss is here. Some say the FBI is the USA's Gestapo. Some
say
the visit is proof that the USA's Gestapo has chosen Bulgaria for its
Gestapo base regarding Yugoslavs. Some say the FBI Boss' visit to
Bulgaria
is mainly practical - confirmation and looking over the chosen
prisons or adapted former concentration camps and other suitable places
for the Serbs that will be kidnapped, dragged here and lectured on
democracy using some specific Gestapo-FBI methods before being killed.
Some
say the Serbs will be very grateful indeed when at last they are
mercifully
killed. Some say the Serbs dragged here will be represented to the
Bulgarian public (that happens to see them) as "refugees". There is a
talk
about building "refugee camps" in Bulgaria. Some say the Americans have
reconstructed an old concentration camp on the Danube island of Belene
for
a "Serb refugee" camp. Some think they will prefer the regions in
Western
Bulgaria near the boundary with Yugoslavia. The terrain there is
mountainous, sparsely populated and rarely visited. Some of the people
who
say these things have connections with high ranking police officers.
Others
have knowledge of the secret machineries' work in such cases. It cannot
be
proved. But it seems logical enough.
PS - Since writing that I read an official statement that the FBI will
have a permanent office in Bulgaria. It was announced in the Bulgarian
media. I think it is a kind of a proof of the rumors that circulate here
about so-called "Serb Refugee Camps"...
Every Second Mother
Bulgaria Today - Yugoslavia Tomorrow
by Madlen Kircheva and Blagovesta Doncheva (9-16-2000)
"...And you will pick the fruit of grapevine and of
olive tree you have not planted..." Old
Testament
Today the Bulgarian daily 'SEGA' screams from its first page:
"EVERY SECOND BULGARIAN
MOTHER BANISHES HER CHILD
ABROAD."
Every second mother.
At one of his regular star-performances on Bulgarian TV some days ago,
the
US Ambassador, properly called "Governor", Richard Miles, consoled the
Bulgarians in proper fatherly fashion, advising them not to cry about
the
young emigrants.
"They will come back, enriched with the
experience, accumulated in the USA when life in
Bulgaria gets better."
Who drives the children of Bulgaria away?
The one who turned our life in hell the last ten years. The young
emigrants were the hope of our country, they are its intellectual
treasure,
created by their parents' efforts and the efforts of the whole society.
That unique human potential has been constructed over the course of
years
by means of the Bulgarian social, health and educational systems - all
of
them deliberately and thouroughly annihilated today.
And now that same insatiable cannibal, who has plundered our country
and
life, is consuming the children without having invested even half a cent
or
a minimal effort to give them birth, to raise or educate them. And later
he
will use them as Janissaries (1) for the full extermination of their
birth
cradle: Bulgaria.
The cynicism of Governor Miles can be compared only to that of a rich
slave-owner from the South states. The United States now is acquiring a
quality offspring raised in a foreign farm. Why should Governor Miles
"improve" life in this US protectorate, Bulgaria? And for whom, in fact,
are the US Special Forces, the International Monetary Fund and the World
Bank conducting their deadly "reforms" i this country, ruining both our
people and Homeland?
After some years there will not be any young people here, no children.
And
the old ones will be dead... Don't deceive yourselves: the rape of our
Homeland is carried out only and solely in the interests of the
Metropolis
Beyond the Ocean and the colonial servants here, known as a political
"elite" - nobody knows why.
Do not weep, Yugoslavia!
Madlen Kircheva and Blagovesta Doncheva
October 9, 2000 - Sofia, Bulgaria
(By the way we have sent the above to all Bulgarian media. It has not
been
published. )
***
Footnotes and Further Reading
(1) Our Bulgarian authors use the term "Janissaries" which is explained
in
an excedrpt from the article 'Kostunica & the Yugoslav Election' at
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/kostunic.htm
In the article I was discussing the spending of immense amounts of US
dollars to finance an "independent" (?!) apparatus in order to
destablizie
Yugoslavia. The article continues:
This lavish use of money is linked to what could be called a
Jannisary strategy. The old Ottoman Empire used this strategy
to control the Serbs. They would kidnap Serbian children,
bring them to Turkey at a young age, raise him as Muslims,
and then send him back as the elite Ottoman army.
It happens today, though of course the appearance is
somewhat different. It is in essence what the US elite does
with young people from all over the world, especially
Yugoslavia. They are literally (or figuratively, by means of TV
and movies) brought to the US and other Western capitals
and dazzled with glamour and glitz, with superficiality made
into a virtue - and then sent back to dumb old Yugoslavia.
You can see these young Yugoslavs at elite US universitieis -
aloof, super cool, ashamed of their country. Ashamed of
dumb old Yugoslavia that has more richness of culture than all
Western Europe and the US put together. Full of grubby
farmers and outmoded economic notions etc. etc. In Belgrade
these Janissaries flock to institutions such as "free" radio
B292. I interviewed two staff members from B292. The
interviews are posted on Emperor's Clothes. These young
people have the attitude of smug treason. Consider this
exchange with Gordan Paunovic:
" Jared: [Are you getting any] money coming from foundations in
the US?
"Paunovic: Probably, but I don't know which Foundations. I
am pretty much pissed off in putting this kind of
argumentation, like Soros equals B92. That really comes from
people who are not in a position to see what we are doing.
We will take money from anyone. To make a good
production on many levels, from radio, to TV and video
productions to Internet, Books, music. You need money."
Elsewhere he says:
" Paunovic: And another thing I don't like the way we are -
Like Robin Cook and Jamie Shea they made a huge damage
to our image when Robin Cooke said in a Press Conference
which was directly broadcast on CNN "You know we helped
B92 to get satellite access" and things like that."
But then he and the news editor, whom I also interviewed,
admitted it was true. It was true they were getting time on the
BBC satellite - the BBC, which supported the bombing of
Yugoslavia. But Gordan scorns those who think there's
anything shameful about this. After all, one needs money to do
glamorous things.
This Janissary mentality, contemptuous of the ordinary people
of Yugoslavia, must be supplied with money. Absent money
and it fails. The new global culture is just money and a paint
job.
And because they loathe the backward (i.e. truly cultured)
soul of their country they are useful tools. Hooked on the
most superficial aspects of Western life, in their hearts they
can justify anything. No price is too high for other people to
pay for "modernizing" (i.e. subjugating) their country.
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/kostunic.htm
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I Remain Optimistic Because the Only Other Option Is Suicide
BELGRADE, Oct. 8 - We received the following letter from a TiM reader in
Belgrade, who asked to be identified only by his initials - M.L., but
whose
full identity is known to TiM:
"Dear Sir, I'd like to express my views of the events in Belgrade and
Serbia over the past couple of days, as well as my reactions to some of
your articles. I spoke last night to some of my friends who participated
in
the events. They told me that a great many demonstrators, especially
those
coming from outside Belgrade, were armed! One of the DOS leaders
admitted
that they wouldn't come back unless they achieve their goal, no matter
what
the cost (in human lives).
I kept silent throughout the night. It is obvious that anything I say
would
create a chorus of hysterical disapproval. Any common sense had left
their
heads long since. I imagine you experienced the same when you warned
about
Milosevic 10 years ago.
As for your remark that quislings waste no time, get a load of this: I
had
just heard on TV that Zoran Djindjic said in an interview to a
Zagreb(!!!)
weekly "Nacional" that there will be no more Yugoslavia, but an
alliance
of states of Serbia and Montenegro with a common foreign policy. And
that
there would be no more federal President, Parliament or Government.
Hmm... I wonder what Mr. Kostunica has to say about that?
Talking about TV, since the "liberation" of the media, they have been
none
short of disastrous. Reactions from Clinton, Blair, Chirac on the
"democratic changes", greetings from Zagreb, Sarajevo... O, Sancta
Simplicitas!!!
I would like to reply to Mr. Alverson, who I truly believe is a dear
friend
of my people but has obviously fallen under this hysteria (see (see An
American at the Serb "Revolution"): He compared this to 96/97 protests.
It
is, to say the least, inappropriate. In 96/97, the streets were
inhabited
by people wanting democracy and freedom. This October, it was a mob out
for
blood (just go and see the movie "Gladiator," and see if there is any
difference between the mob in the Coliseum and that in Belgrade).
You say we will never forget the spring of 1999, Mr.Alverson. Well, I'm
afraid some already have. And judging by who has taken over the media,
in
time a great many will.
In spite of everything I still remain optimistic simply because I have
to.
The only other option is suicide."
M.L., Belgrade, Serbia
Truth in Media
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Michel Collon
Journal from Belgrade - Monday 16th of October
DOS in coalition against nature with SNP and without elections?
MICHEL COLLON
* Negociations between DOS and SNP
* Vo�vodina's: ethnic tension starts. Another split?
* Danube: for whose pockets?
Representatives of DOS (Djindjic, Korac, Batic) and president
Kostunica (in
this order) have discussed with Socialist National Party of
Montenegro
problem of Federal government today. They agreed about some main
principles.
So, we can conclude that SNP is going to establish coalition with DOS,
not
Serbian leftist on the federal level. It is true that SNP ask to
include
representatives of SPS in the Federal government, and repeat once
again that
they were in ethnic coalition with Serbian leftist. But, DOS refused
that.
There is very important question - people in Montenegro voted for SNP
and
president M., not for DOS. So, they did not vote for coalition of DOS
and
SNP. As we wrote before, it could be also political suicide for
montenrgin
SNP of Bulatovic. They regained at last elections by fighting againt
rightist and pro-West Djukanovic's party. How will they explain next
year
that they fight against Western and rightist party at Montenegrin
level and
unite with the same kind of party at Jugoslav level?
There is even less legality and legitimacy on the Republic level.
DOS, even
without elections and obviously blackmailing SPS, is going to enter
the
Republic government even before elections this December. One of the
strongest party in actual Republic parliament - Serbian Radical Party
refuses to take part in this arrangement. They think that they will
give
legitimacy to all illegal activities of DOS (taking over many
institutions
and others...) by participation in this government. And, even more,
they
are going to share responsibility for politics of DOS till the
elections.
They even do not think that early elections are necessary because
Republic
government has majority in parliament.
Has SPS accepted negotiation as the only way to keep peace on the
streets.
Or may be they have some other ideas?
Ethnic tension in Vo�vodina
There are some reports of worsening the ethnic situation in Vojvodina.
There
are more and more Hungarian or Croatian flags, marking of Serbian
houses in
multiethnic villages, pressure on Hungarians who are members of non
national
Hungarian parties, hostility toward Serbian refuges there. I have
heard that
there are attempts to "keep Vojvodina money in Vojvodia", e.g. not to
send
taxes to the common Republic budget.
Previously, we wrote that the programme of DOS was completely
contradictory, mixing together separatist and unitarist parties. But
the
proof comes even sooner than expected.
More on Vo�vodina in next issues. I had meetings in Novi Sad a few
days ago.
Danube: for whose pockets?
At this moment there is only one assistance of EU to remain after all
these
promises and a lot of money - cleaning of the Danube. But, new attack
on our
independence - one Frenchman was chosen as the president of the
Commission
for that job. There is no doubt that Western company is going to get
that
job.
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Journal from Belgrade - Monday 16th of October
DOS in coalition against nature with SNP and without elections?
MICHEL COLLON
* Negociations between DOS and SNP
* Vo�vodina's: ethnic tension starts. Another split?
* Danube: for whose pockets?
Representatives of DOS (Djindjic, Korac, Batic) and president
Kostunica (in
this order) have discussed with Socialist National Party of
Montenegro
problem of Federal government today. They agreed about some main
principles.
So, we can conclude that SNP is going to establish coalition with DOS,
not
Serbian leftist on the federal level. It is true that SNP ask to
include
representatives of SPS in the Federal government, and repeat once
again that
they were in ethnic coalition with Serbian leftist. But, DOS refused
that.
There is very important question - people in Montenegro voted for SNP
and
president M., not for DOS. So, they did not vote for coalition of DOS
and
SNP. As we wrote before, it could be also political suicide for
montenrgin
SNP of Bulatovic. They regained at last elections by fighting againt
rightist and pro-West Djukanovic's party. How will they explain next
year
that they fight against Western and rightist party at Montenegrin
level and
unite with the same kind of party at Jugoslav level?
There is even less legality and legitimacy on the Republic level.
DOS, even
without elections and obviously blackmailing SPS, is going to enter
the
Republic government even before elections this December. One of the
strongest party in actual Republic parliament - Serbian Radical Party
refuses to take part in this arrangement. They think that they will
give
legitimacy to all illegal activities of DOS (taking over many
institutions
and others...) by participation in this government. And, even more,
they
are going to share responsibility for politics of DOS till the
elections.
They even do not think that early elections are necessary because
Republic
government has majority in parliament.
Has SPS accepted negotiation as the only way to keep peace on the
streets.
Or may be they have some other ideas?
Ethnic tension in Vo�vodina
There are some reports of worsening the ethnic situation in Vojvodina.
There
are more and more Hungarian or Croatian flags, marking of Serbian
houses in
multiethnic villages, pressure on Hungarians who are members of non
national
Hungarian parties, hostility toward Serbian refuges there. I have
heard that
there are attempts to "keep Vojvodina money in Vojvodia", e.g. not to
send
taxes to the common Republic budget.
Previously, we wrote that the programme of DOS was completely
contradictory, mixing together separatist and unitarist parties. But
the
proof comes even sooner than expected.
More on Vo�vodina in next issues. I had meetings in Novi Sad a few
days ago.
Danube: for whose pockets?
At this moment there is only one assistance of EU to remain after all
these
promises and a lot of money - cleaning of the Danube. But, new attack
on our
independence - one Frenchman was chosen as the president of the
Commission
for that job. There is no doubt that Western company is going to get
that
job.
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Ma qual'e' il programma dell' "Opposizione Democratica Serba" (DOS), che
ha
appena preso il potere in Jugoslavia?
Chi fosse curioso puo' trovarlo sul sito di Otpor, il movimento di
studenti
anti-Milosevic che tanto credito ha trovato anche presso pezzi della
sinistra nostrana. L'indirizzo e':
http://www.otpor.net/news/083000-DOS-program.html
Consiglio di leggere soprattutto la seconda parte del documento, con il
programma in 56 punti per il primo anno di governo. Sottomissione al
FMI,
privatizzazioni e libero scambio, riduzione delle tasse e della spesa
pubblica, costruzione di autostrade e oleodotti, sostegni alle famiglie
per
fare figli ... Particolarmente perversi sono i punti 47-50 che prevedono
un
prestito da parte dei governi occidentali per costituire un fondo
temporaneo di assistenza ai cittadini bisognosi: una mazzetta di dollari
a
testa per comprare il consenso politico oggi e asservire l'economia
jugoslava al pagamento degli interessi per i decenni futuri.
luca nencini (dalla lista del Comitato Scienziate/i contro la guerra)
---
Ecco la lista (e i siti) delle organizzazioni
che compongono il DOS.
(da Voce Operaia)
1 DEMOKRATSKA STRANKA
www.ds.org.yu
2 ASOCIJACIJA NEZAVISNIH I SLOBODNIH SINDIKATA
www.asns.org.yu
3 GRA�ANSKI SAVEZ SRBIJE
www.gradjanskisavez.org.yu
4 DEMOHRI�CANSKA STRANKA SRBIJE
www.dhss.org.yu
5 NOVA SRBIJA
www.nova-srbija.org.yu
6 DEMOKRATSKA STRANKA SRBIJE
http://www.dss.org.yu/
7 DEMOKRATSKA ALTERNATIVA
http://www.da.org.yu/
8 NOVA DEMOKRATIJA
http://www.novademokratija.org.yu/
9 SOCIJALDEMOKRATSKA UNIJA
http://www.sdu.org.yu/
10 LIGA SOCIJALDEMOKRATA VOJVODINE
http://www.lsv.org.yu/
11 SAVEZ VOJVO�ANSKIH MA�ARA
www.vmsz.org.yu
12 REFORMSKA DEMOKRATSKA STRANKA VOJVODINE
http://www.rdsv.org.yu/
13 SOCIJALDEMOKRATIJA
http://www.socijaldemokratija.org.yu/
14 KOALICIJA VOJVODINA
http://www.koalicijavojvodina.org.yu/
15 POKRET ZA DEMOKRATSKU SRBIJU
www.pokret.org.yu
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ha
appena preso il potere in Jugoslavia?
Chi fosse curioso puo' trovarlo sul sito di Otpor, il movimento di
studenti
anti-Milosevic che tanto credito ha trovato anche presso pezzi della
sinistra nostrana. L'indirizzo e':
http://www.otpor.net/news/083000-DOS-program.html
Consiglio di leggere soprattutto la seconda parte del documento, con il
programma in 56 punti per il primo anno di governo. Sottomissione al
FMI,
privatizzazioni e libero scambio, riduzione delle tasse e della spesa
pubblica, costruzione di autostrade e oleodotti, sostegni alle famiglie
per
fare figli ... Particolarmente perversi sono i punti 47-50 che prevedono
un
prestito da parte dei governi occidentali per costituire un fondo
temporaneo di assistenza ai cittadini bisognosi: una mazzetta di dollari
a
testa per comprare il consenso politico oggi e asservire l'economia
jugoslava al pagamento degli interessi per i decenni futuri.
luca nencini (dalla lista del Comitato Scienziate/i contro la guerra)
---
Ecco la lista (e i siti) delle organizzazioni
che compongono il DOS.
(da Voce Operaia)
1 DEMOKRATSKA STRANKA
www.ds.org.yu
2 ASOCIJACIJA NEZAVISNIH I SLOBODNIH SINDIKATA
www.asns.org.yu
3 GRA�ANSKI SAVEZ SRBIJE
www.gradjanskisavez.org.yu
4 DEMOHRI�CANSKA STRANKA SRBIJE
www.dhss.org.yu
5 NOVA SRBIJA
www.nova-srbija.org.yu
6 DEMOKRATSKA STRANKA SRBIJE
http://www.dss.org.yu/
7 DEMOKRATSKA ALTERNATIVA
http://www.da.org.yu/
8 NOVA DEMOKRATIJA
http://www.novademokratija.org.yu/
9 SOCIJALDEMOKRATSKA UNIJA
http://www.sdu.org.yu/
10 LIGA SOCIJALDEMOKRATA VOJVODINE
http://www.lsv.org.yu/
11 SAVEZ VOJVO�ANSKIH MA�ARA
www.vmsz.org.yu
12 REFORMSKA DEMOKRATSKA STRANKA VOJVODINE
http://www.rdsv.org.yu/
13 SOCIJALDEMOKRATIJA
http://www.socijaldemokratija.org.yu/
14 KOALICIJA VOJVODINA
http://www.koalicijavojvodina.org.yu/
15 POKRET ZA DEMOKRATSKU SRBIJU
www.pokret.org.yu
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Is the German-Troops-In-Yugoslavia Dispatch Real?
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/real.htm
Do not Weep, Yugoslavia! Rumors of Serb Refugee Camps
by Blagovesta Doncheva (9-16-2000)
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/doncheva/rumors.htm
I Remain Optimistic Because the Only Other Option Is Suicide
M.L., Belgrade, Serbia (TiM Bulletin)
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(ANSA) - BIARRITZ, 14 OTT - Il nuovo presidente jugoslavo
Vojislav Kostunica non si opporrebbe a referendum separati sul
futuro della Jugoslavia da tenersi in Serbia e Montenegro. Lo ha
riferito lo stesso Kostunica oggi a Biarritz dove ha incontrato
i leader europei. Kostunica ha detto che il nome Jugoslavia
non rispecchia attualmente il ''Paese in cui viviamo'' e che la
sua ''idea'' sarebbe quella di ''Serbia e Montenegro'', anche se
questo, al momento, non rappresenta un problema prioritario.
Kostunica ha ribadito la sua volonta' di tenera una Jugoslavia
''unita'' ed ha ribadito l' idea gia' espressa di indire un
referendum in Serbia e Montenegro. ''Eventualmente accettero'
anche un referndum separato in MOntenegro'', ha aggiunto.(ANSA)
KOSTUNICA FAVOURS REFERENDUM IN MONTENEGRO
PODGORICA, October 16 (Tanjug) Yugoslav President Vojislav
Kostunica told a Montenegrin newspaper on Monday he was in favour of
holding a referendum in that Yugoslav republic to sound out the people
on
continuing in a common state with Serbia.
"I have supported the idea of holding a referendum at one point
to
sound out the people in both federal units if they want to live in a
common
state.
"If it is the will of the people to live in the same state,
then a
democratic dialogue should be opened on how to organise and redefine
mutual
relations, which practically means adopting a new constitution.
"Nothing in my position has changed," Kostunica told the
influential Vijesti newspaper.
"A referendum, then, is a way to sound out the will of the
people
in both federal units. I have been in favour of it, and I would agree
also
to a referendum in only one of the federal units, viz. Montenegro, to
determine what the people in that republic want.
"I could not subscribe to any other course of action.
"The only thing acceptable to me would be an expression of the
will of the people in one or both of the federal units in a democratic
way.
"My position has not changed one iota. My information and
belief
is that a majority is in favour of living in a common state, and I have
nothing against this sentiment being put to the test," Kostunica said.
G17 PLUS MEMBER MARKOVIC: CHANCE SHOULD BE SEIZED AT ONCE
BELGRADE, October 16 (Tanjug) G17 Plus Coordinator for
National
and Cultural Revival Predrag Markovic said on Monday that Yugoslavia
could
take advantage of the given opportunity and get the promised financial
aid
from European Union (E.U.) countries in the next two months, paving the
way
to speedier economic revival.
Speaking at a regular press conference, Markovic explained that
the aid granted to Yugoslavia was based on the political marketing of
these
countries and indicated that "the zeal will not last long and the chance
should be seized at once, not step by step."
Underscoring that it was necessary as soon as possible to set
up a
federal and a transitional republican government so that the country
could
function normally, Markovic said the indecisiveness in connection with
setting up these governments "is a result of political
irresponsibility."
Markovic said it was his opinion that the federal government
should be a politicalexpert one.
F.R. YUGOSLAVIA - EU
STABILITY PACT COORDINATOR HOMBACH URGES SPEEDY E.U. ACTIONS
BERLIN, October 16 (Tanjug) E.U. Balkans Stability Pact
Coordinator, Germany's Bodo Hombach has urged the Union to eliminate all
administrative problems that could thwart a speedy implementation of a
decision made at the Biarritz summit, under which emergency aid worth
200
million euros (391 million Dmarks) should be provided for Serbia.
The Union must act quickly in order that the people of Serbia
be
prepared for the winter season, whereas specific projects for
revitalizing
the Serbian economy must not be delayed for a single day, the Berlin
conservative daily Die Welt quoted on Monday Hombach as saying. Hombach
added that in a way, Serbia represented a test for the E.U., which is
now
expected to refute the common belief that its actions are slow and
inefficient.
According to Hombach, the initial 200 million euros will be
sufficient for the purpose. In the spring of 2001, a big donor
conference
should follow, at which projects for Serbia should be assessed in
relation
to the entire region.
FORMER YUGOSLAVIA'S DEBTS TO BE DISCUSSED AT ZAGREB SUMMIT
LONDON, October 15 (Tanjug) The succession and the debts of
the
former Yugoslavia will be discussed at the summit of the European Union
and
Balkan states at the end of next month in Zagreb, the European Foreign
Policy Commissioner Chris Patten told the BBC Sunday.
Noting that an emergency economic aid package of 200 million
euros
for Yugoslavia was approved on Saturday at the request of the European
Commission, Patten said he would travel to Serbia in about ten days
accompanied by World Bank experts to assess the medium and long tern
needs
of its population.
The approved aid will be directed through projects similar to
last
year's Energy for Democracy, when aid was allocated directly to
municipalities, he said.
F.R. YUGOSLAVIA - MACEDONIA
GLIGOROV: SERBIA HEART OF BALKANS
SKOPJE, October 16 (Tanjug) Former Macedonian president Kiro
Gligorov said on Monday that Yugoslavia, Serbia actually, was the heart
of
the Balkans for Europe and the world and thus the keen interest of major
world and European institutions and countries in the soonest possible
stabilization of the situation there.
Macedonia must also accept the reality that the world and
Europe
will invest large financial funds into Serbia, but this does not mean
that
Macedonia will be pushed to the fringes of the interest of Europe and
the
world, because the west still cares very much that peace should reign in
this state and that it should be a safe, Gligorov said in a statement
published in Monday's edition of the Skopje daily Jutarnji vesnik.
Gligorov supports the idea that something should change in the
Balkans, but he is adamant that borders should remain unchanged.
"The countries in the region should be linked economically,
without which Balkan countries cannot rely on more serious individual
progress, or on joining the European Union," Gligorov said in his
interview.
NO HURDLES BETWEEN YUGOSLAVIA AND MACEDONIA
SKOPJE, October 16 (Tanjug) Macedonian Prime Minister Ljupco
Georgijevski has said there were no longer any major obstacles on the
way
to overcoming all problems in relations between Macedonia and
Yugoslavia,
especially following the election of Vojislav Kostunica to the office of
new Yugoslav president.
Georgijevski told the Skopje daily Dnevnik that the most
important
thing at present was to resolve the biggest problem, marking the border
between Macedonia and Yugoslavia. He said he believed this issue would
be
closed very soon.
Regarding the continuity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia,
Georgijevski pointed out that President Kostunica had already announced
he
was ready to start from scratch.
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http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/real.htm
Do not Weep, Yugoslavia! Rumors of Serb Refugee Camps
by Blagovesta Doncheva (9-16-2000)
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/doncheva/rumors.htm
I Remain Optimistic Because the Only Other Option Is Suicide
M.L., Belgrade, Serbia (TiM Bulletin)
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(ANSA) - BIARRITZ, 14 OTT - Il nuovo presidente jugoslavo
Vojislav Kostunica non si opporrebbe a referendum separati sul
futuro della Jugoslavia da tenersi in Serbia e Montenegro. Lo ha
riferito lo stesso Kostunica oggi a Biarritz dove ha incontrato
i leader europei. Kostunica ha detto che il nome Jugoslavia
non rispecchia attualmente il ''Paese in cui viviamo'' e che la
sua ''idea'' sarebbe quella di ''Serbia e Montenegro'', anche se
questo, al momento, non rappresenta un problema prioritario.
Kostunica ha ribadito la sua volonta' di tenera una Jugoslavia
''unita'' ed ha ribadito l' idea gia' espressa di indire un
referendum in Serbia e Montenegro. ''Eventualmente accettero'
anche un referndum separato in MOntenegro'', ha aggiunto.(ANSA)
KOSTUNICA FAVOURS REFERENDUM IN MONTENEGRO
PODGORICA, October 16 (Tanjug) Yugoslav President Vojislav
Kostunica told a Montenegrin newspaper on Monday he was in favour of
holding a referendum in that Yugoslav republic to sound out the people
on
continuing in a common state with Serbia.
"I have supported the idea of holding a referendum at one point
to
sound out the people in both federal units if they want to live in a
common
state.
"If it is the will of the people to live in the same state,
then a
democratic dialogue should be opened on how to organise and redefine
mutual
relations, which practically means adopting a new constitution.
"Nothing in my position has changed," Kostunica told the
influential Vijesti newspaper.
"A referendum, then, is a way to sound out the will of the
people
in both federal units. I have been in favour of it, and I would agree
also
to a referendum in only one of the federal units, viz. Montenegro, to
determine what the people in that republic want.
"I could not subscribe to any other course of action.
"The only thing acceptable to me would be an expression of the
will of the people in one or both of the federal units in a democratic
way.
"My position has not changed one iota. My information and
belief
is that a majority is in favour of living in a common state, and I have
nothing against this sentiment being put to the test," Kostunica said.
G17 PLUS MEMBER MARKOVIC: CHANCE SHOULD BE SEIZED AT ONCE
BELGRADE, October 16 (Tanjug) G17 Plus Coordinator for
National
and Cultural Revival Predrag Markovic said on Monday that Yugoslavia
could
take advantage of the given opportunity and get the promised financial
aid
from European Union (E.U.) countries in the next two months, paving the
way
to speedier economic revival.
Speaking at a regular press conference, Markovic explained that
the aid granted to Yugoslavia was based on the political marketing of
these
countries and indicated that "the zeal will not last long and the chance
should be seized at once, not step by step."
Underscoring that it was necessary as soon as possible to set
up a
federal and a transitional republican government so that the country
could
function normally, Markovic said the indecisiveness in connection with
setting up these governments "is a result of political
irresponsibility."
Markovic said it was his opinion that the federal government
should be a politicalexpert one.
F.R. YUGOSLAVIA - EU
STABILITY PACT COORDINATOR HOMBACH URGES SPEEDY E.U. ACTIONS
BERLIN, October 16 (Tanjug) E.U. Balkans Stability Pact
Coordinator, Germany's Bodo Hombach has urged the Union to eliminate all
administrative problems that could thwart a speedy implementation of a
decision made at the Biarritz summit, under which emergency aid worth
200
million euros (391 million Dmarks) should be provided for Serbia.
The Union must act quickly in order that the people of Serbia
be
prepared for the winter season, whereas specific projects for
revitalizing
the Serbian economy must not be delayed for a single day, the Berlin
conservative daily Die Welt quoted on Monday Hombach as saying. Hombach
added that in a way, Serbia represented a test for the E.U., which is
now
expected to refute the common belief that its actions are slow and
inefficient.
According to Hombach, the initial 200 million euros will be
sufficient for the purpose. In the spring of 2001, a big donor
conference
should follow, at which projects for Serbia should be assessed in
relation
to the entire region.
FORMER YUGOSLAVIA'S DEBTS TO BE DISCUSSED AT ZAGREB SUMMIT
LONDON, October 15 (Tanjug) The succession and the debts of
the
former Yugoslavia will be discussed at the summit of the European Union
and
Balkan states at the end of next month in Zagreb, the European Foreign
Policy Commissioner Chris Patten told the BBC Sunday.
Noting that an emergency economic aid package of 200 million
euros
for Yugoslavia was approved on Saturday at the request of the European
Commission, Patten said he would travel to Serbia in about ten days
accompanied by World Bank experts to assess the medium and long tern
needs
of its population.
The approved aid will be directed through projects similar to
last
year's Energy for Democracy, when aid was allocated directly to
municipalities, he said.
F.R. YUGOSLAVIA - MACEDONIA
GLIGOROV: SERBIA HEART OF BALKANS
SKOPJE, October 16 (Tanjug) Former Macedonian president Kiro
Gligorov said on Monday that Yugoslavia, Serbia actually, was the heart
of
the Balkans for Europe and the world and thus the keen interest of major
world and European institutions and countries in the soonest possible
stabilization of the situation there.
Macedonia must also accept the reality that the world and
Europe
will invest large financial funds into Serbia, but this does not mean
that
Macedonia will be pushed to the fringes of the interest of Europe and
the
world, because the west still cares very much that peace should reign in
this state and that it should be a safe, Gligorov said in a statement
published in Monday's edition of the Skopje daily Jutarnji vesnik.
Gligorov supports the idea that something should change in the
Balkans, but he is adamant that borders should remain unchanged.
"The countries in the region should be linked economically,
without which Balkan countries cannot rely on more serious individual
progress, or on joining the European Union," Gligorov said in his
interview.
NO HURDLES BETWEEN YUGOSLAVIA AND MACEDONIA
SKOPJE, October 16 (Tanjug) Macedonian Prime Minister Ljupco
Georgijevski has said there were no longer any major obstacles on the
way
to overcoming all problems in relations between Macedonia and
Yugoslavia,
especially following the election of Vojislav Kostunica to the office of
new Yugoslav president.
Georgijevski told the Skopje daily Dnevnik that the most
important
thing at present was to resolve the biggest problem, marking the border
between Macedonia and Yugoslavia. He said he believed this issue would
be
closed very soon.
Regarding the continuity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia,
Georgijevski pointed out that President Kostunica had already announced
he
was ready to start from scratch.
---
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Coordinamento Nazionale "La Jugoslavia Vivra'"
> http://digilander.iol.it/lajugoslaviavivra
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opinioni delle realta' che compongono il Coordinamento, ma vengono
fatti circolare per il loro contenuto informativo al solo scopo di
segnalazione e commento ("for fair use only")
Per contributi e segnalazioni: jugocoord@...
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